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I recently saw Star Trek Picard, the first season was okey, season 2 was awful, the season 3 was nice.

Acording some critics last Discovery season is bad, so now I'm afraid of looking a series who has a bad ending, it worth to watch or is as painful as Picard Season 2? Or I should watch Strange New Worlds and Enterprise instead?

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[-] mutant_zz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

It's always worth remembering that the people who dislike something tend to be the loudest.

There's no doubt reactions to Discovery have been mixed. Personally, I enjoyed it. It was uneven and flawed and sometimes frustrating. But there were enough good moments to keep me going. I don't think anyone can tell you if you'll enjoy it... You just have to try it and see.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 4 points 1 day ago

There’s no doubt reactions to Discovery have been mixed.

I feel it's important to note that a lot of the "reactions" we see today are the result of coordinated review-bombing campaigns by "anti-woke" outrage-peddling youtubers.

That's not to say it's universally beloved among Trekkies online, just that for someone trying to suss out the "reception" is going to have a difficult time separating authentic reviews from inauthentic ones.

[-] moopet@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

It's not very good, but it does have some really good moments, and some really good ideas mixed in with the less-good stuff. It's worth watching. Just put your fingers in your ears and la-la-la through all the Klingon retconning and inappropriate pathos. There are moments where the emotional storyline are good, but they cry wolf too often.

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

If you're a fan of older Star Treks it's bad, real bad. I watched until the end of season 2 with my partner and had to bail. Everyone above has given good reasons why, I'll add one I haven't seen: the lead actress (Soneqa Martin-Green?) overacts Michael Burnham. She overdramatizes almost every scene, to the detriment of the believabolity of the in-universe world, I tried to overlook it but found it grating. I told my partner that half-way into season two, and she responded that she doesn't really see it. Then about five seconds later Burnham is raising her voice to a senior officer and on the verge of tears over nothing.. a minor misunderstanding. Partner laughs and goes, "ok yeah I see it".

I'd rewatch Enterprise 100 times over ever watching Discovery again, and Enterprise is probably my least favourite pre-2010 Trek, if that helps you.

[-] dazflorplebam@dice.camp 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

@pulsewidth @cuchi I felt the same way, until a friend pointed out that's what Shatner did, too. Stylistically, tonally, etc. the shows are very different, but I wonder if #StarTrekDiscovery feels similar to TOS, to audiences with more modern tastes.

Speak for yourself.

I’ve been watching since 1967 and happily watched all five seasons of Discovery as they came out.

I’ve also rewatched them all with other members of our household.

I’ve definitely watched Discovery more times than Enterprise.

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[-] Norin@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

My honest opinion is that Discovery is nowhere near as bad as its detractors say.

That said, I also wouldn’t call it good Star Trek and didn’t finish the final season.

It’s boring, not bad.

[-] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago

If it doesn’t make you want to rewatch it whole years later, it’s bad Trek.

I felt that way about Voyager at one time.

Watched the episodes once as they came out but wasn’t seeking to rewatch.

But then our kids came along, hit their preteens, and for them Voyager reruns on cable was ‘their Star Trek.’

I watched Voyager more with them during their preteens and early teens than I did during its first run.

And I can say that it DOES stand up to rewatch. More, it has many ‘best of trope’ episodes.

I think perhaps it was Voyager’s unevenness in quality across the entire run or, perhaps fatigue from hundreds of episodes of TNG and DS9 rewatched immediately after they were broadcast, that led me to not appreciate Voyager as much initially.

All to say, I was very wrong about Voyager’s rewatch value, and perhaps many crusty 90s Trek fans are wrong about Discovery too.

[-] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 17 points 2 days ago

Don't listen to the critics on the internet. If you're not dying soon, watch it all. It's Trek. It's roughly 60% great, 30% mediocre to aged poorly, and 10% let's never talk about it again.

I would go in rough order of release because they do like harkening back to stuff. Actually rewatching TOS will be good for SNW. And Disco S2 is its backdoor pilot.

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[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Some people like it. Some people hate it. You’re going to have to make that determination for yourself. You’ll know by the time you get to season two which camp youre in

Personally I found the cast wasted on poor writing. And as someone else mentioned, the show concentrates entirely too much on Burnham. Half of the bridge crew you probably won’t know their names by the end of season one. There were a couple of bright spots — Saru’s backstory and character were well done.

[-] data1701d@startrek.website 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It has its weaknesses, but I think you should watch it if just to form your own opinion.

I’ve only watched through the middle of season 4, where I got a bit tired of it, though I might pick it back up.

Season 1 is interesting, season 2 is weird, and season 3 has its flaws but keeps you on the edge of your seat.

Season 4 I feel like squanders the new setting introduced in season 3; the plot they introduce feels so artificial to me, which is very upsetting because it feels like the new setting has so many stories that would practically write themselves even if you do decide to lean on “Big Bad Villain/Problem” storytelling.

[-] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

i think this clip really highlights all the issues i had with discovery.

kinda poor acting, cringe ass dialogue, boring and bland music, self aggrandisement, and too many obvious cgi 'set pieces'.

new trek is action oriented space opera, not hard scifi morality tales. ig its just not for me

[-] Kabutor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

Seen it recently myself, about a couple years ago, never watched before, and it's ok. I enjoyed it.

Don't read too much into the comments, just watch it, of you don't like it stop watching it.

For me it's worthy, i have warched at this moment all ST except TOS, I tried it and I can't.

[-] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

I love Discovery. Some of the criticisms are valid; every season has a few dumb moments that make me shake my head. But I love the characters, the actors are all great, Doug Jones in particular is a treasure, and the first contact in season 4 feels more like a proper science fiction scenario than any other in Trek.

One thing to keep in mind is that the tone shifts considerably season to season. It starts off quite grim and gritty, but don’t expect it to stay that way.

[-] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 day ago

You need to get passed the first story arc, then it gets really good. It doesn't really feel Star Trek™ at first, but that changes and it's worth the journey.

[-] MimicJar@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I think if you're looking for a recommendation, both Strange New Worlds and Enterprise are better than Discovery.

If you were ok with Picard season 1, at worst you'll be ok with Discovery.

I will say that Strange New Worlds is technically a spinoff of Discovery, so a watching Discovery first makes more sense if you're planning on watching them all eventually anyway.

Discovery has good episodes, but probably more bad episodes than good episodes. If you're binge watching, which you can do now that it's all been released, it won't be so bad. If you watch a bad episode, you'll come across a good episode soon enough. When we had to watch week to week, it was rough going bad after bad, week to week.

[-] Skunk@jlai.lu 7 points 1 day ago

Discovery is fine and at the time it was the only modern Trek we had so there’s that, it’s enough for me to like it.

The only problem I had with it is that every season is "OMG we have to save the all fucking universe!", other than that it’s cool.

Then we had Strange New Worlds so my thirst for "let’s just explore that funny planet and have a drink at the mess" Trek was satisfied.

I still watch discovery because ‘spaceships goes piou piou piou eat my phaser’ and that’s what I want it to be.

[-] pasdechance@jlai.lu 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Most any criticism of the show is true. I will say that it is a good series to watch with people who haven't watched Star Trek before because it is a little un-Trek-ish and there is less to stop and explain. Also, since the mission is top secret it has little overlap with anything except SNW.

As a Star Trek fan, I was happy to get more Trek, the same as I was happy to get more Picard (that S2 was a pain though!), Lower Decks, Prodigy, and even the Short Treks.

My wife was pulled into the world of Star Trek by Discovery (a full 36 years after I'd started watching the franchise) and now she loves it and wants to watch all of the other series. So, Discovery gets a point for that.

(I haven't seen Section 31 yet. It is supposed to be very bad.)

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

It’s constant flawed buildup to a promise of something just around the corner the might actually be good, that not only never ever delivers on that promise, but pulls the rug out from under you more if ten than not, rather than just providing the payoff that you probably want (I lately keep thinking back to the Klingon War)

i loved picard and discovery the only bad thing about picard is that it made me remember watching tng every saturday at my dads house and he would of loved it.

[-] dethstrobe@startrek.website 6 points 1 day ago

I think Discovery is perfectly OK Star Trek. However, because it had a few changes in show runners things progress very strangely.

Season 1 is a 10 hour movie. I liked it for doing something different, and thought the plot twist was interesting.

Season 2 starts off good, but then jumps the (metaphorical) shark at the end.

Season 3 thru 5 starts to feel more like traditional Star Trek, just with wacky doom's day scenario in the background until it's resolved at the end of the season. It honestly feels too formulaic, but I thought Season 4's ending was fantastic, some of the middle stuff was a mixed bag.

Anyway, I still think you should watch it. It's perfectly adequate. Didn't make me throw up at all.

[-] Beacon@fedia.io 7 points 2 days ago

Eh, it's ok. I'd definitely rank it below many other Star Trek series, but if you've seen all the better ones already then Discovery is worth a watch

[-] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

My position too. It's not my favourite Trek by far, but I don't get the hate.

[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

I really liked parts of it...from themes to characters...but found it really hard to sit through, most of the time. They had a really annoying way of rehashing everything that happened, after-the-fact...as if we needed to be constantly reminded about details that were literally from ten minutes ago.

It reminded me of the dialogue formats used in cheesy Mexican telenovelas. You can't mention someone's name, without also including a brief description of who they are related to, and what they've previously done. No one talks like that in real life. Especially when the person you're talking to, was right there with you when that event took place.

If you remove all the superfluous dialogue, then the actual length of each episode, was less than 20 minutes.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Stop at Season 2 and it's an ok time.

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