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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

As the belligerent engaged in apartheid, occupation, a war of aggression, and genocide, Israel did the bombing even if the hospital just did that. The Israeli state bears all responsibility for every death in this conflict.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

— BREAKING: The Israeli cabinet will meet tonight to approve the final decision regarding a ground offensive into Gaza

— BREAKING: It is expected that the Israeli cabinet will approve the ground offensive - Security Sources

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The UN Security Council rejects the Russian resolution on Gaza that called for a humanitarian ceasefire, the release of all hostages, access to aid and the safe evacuation of civilians.

The votes were:

Five in favour: China, Gabon, Mozambique, Russia, United Arab Emirates

Four against: France, Japan, United Kingdom, United States

Six abstentions: Albania, Brazil, Ecuador, Ghana, Malta and Switzerland

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Putin orders fighter jets armed with hypersonic missiles to begin round-the-clock patrols over the Black Sea.

https://streamable.com/ld5u5y

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[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Westoid media when reporting on zionist atrocities: "So and so many Palestinians dead"

Westoid media when reporting on dead settlers: "Completely ordinary people! Little girls! Innocent civilians! Murdered by terrorists!"

White zionist settlers are humanised people that you are supposed to relate to, Palestinian civilians are a faceless dehumanised mass of others that is fundamentally unlike you. It is allowed to feel bad about them dying but only in the "isn't it a shame" way you get when you hear about some endangered frog going extinct and nobody on the zionist side ever has a clear moral responsibility for their deaths.

[-] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Good bye thick curvey girl tik tok. Maybe one day we will be reunited. Right now though it's just zionism and the devil it seems.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

An ex-general was just on CNN. I missed the first half of what he said about Israel's ground war. But I catch this: "And if they go in soft - that's a problem too." I'm dying of curiosity if in the first half he actually said "go in hard".

About a week ago I made a hard/soft joke that I never thought I'd hear some military guy say on tv news and just a week later too. The military guys are far more direct and crude as the ground war continues to get closer. They must be excited to do the ghoulish and sports-like play by plays once it starts.

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[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

The State of Palestine’s Permanent Observer Mission to the United Nations in Geneva has sent a statement to media organisations challenging the veracity of comments from Israel after the Gaza hospital explosion that killed at least 471 people:

“Anyone with experience monitoring previous Israeli military aggressions against the Palestinian population of Gaza, is appalled, though not surprised, by the wave of disinformation being spewed out by Israel’s propaganda machine regarding the targeting of the Baptist Al Ahli hospital in Gaza.

“For decades, every time Israel is accused of an atrocity, it resorts to the usual playbook to attempt to cover up its crime: First, it denies its involvement and says that the Palestinians did it to themselves. Then, it quietly admits to having perpetrated it but says that it was not intentional. Then, it claims to be ‘investigating’ the situation while counting on the international community to forget it ever happened. Then, at the next crime, rinse and repeat.

“No amount of PR or censorship will be able to cover up the colonial, apartheid nature of Israel, a State that continues to relentlessly commit war crimes and crimes against humanity against a besieged, occupied population,” it said.

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[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Video of the tunnels "Welcome to the fields of hell"

https://streamable.com/q2pvqj

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

The oppostion parties in Poland (Center, Center-Right, Socdem and Leftists) won the Polish parliamentary election

It's over for the Piss Party oooaaaaaaauhhh

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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Milei supporters are saying the left-peronists did electoral fraud

They are coping super hard

In other news the Trot party led by Myriam Bregman FIT-U did well they gained one more congressmen up to 4 now. I believe that makes them the strongest Trot party in the americas chad-trotsky

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[-] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Zelensky reportedly banned from entry to Israel after being spotted sneaking away from an IDF base with a big sack over his shoulder with a cartoon rocket printed on it. Reports say two Mossad agents chased the head of state with batons before he evaded them by jumping down an open manhole after which the two agents collided with one another.

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[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago
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[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] sempersigh@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Man I was just thinking there’s a non zero chance that if things pop off my racist marine brother in law could get called up and get minecrafted by a PFLP fighter thonk

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[-] ChairmanSpongebob@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

"the westerner's opinions to not matter in any of this"

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[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 1 year ago
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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

lenin-confused

Israel says the next stage of the war might not be what everyone is expecting, and that a ground offensive into Gaza was never explicitly mentioned

No fucking idea where this is being sourced from.

EDIT: Another version --

"We are preparing for the next stages of war. We haven't said what they will be. Everybody's talking about the ground offensive. It might be something different," - IDF Spox

If accurate this is the first clear sign of the IDF walking back on the idea of a ground offensive.

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[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Trump is elected Speaker

Biden gets owned by Hamas

Kamala dies of alcohol poisoning

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

The Israel Defense Forces' Operation Iron Swords will be fierce, Reuters writes, citing regional and Western officials. However, according to them, the Israeli authorities do not yet have an idea of what to do with the Gaza Strip after the end of the war.

Three regional officials, whom Reuters did not name, say the Israeli operation involves destroying Gaza Strip infrastructure, including underground tunnels created by Hamas militants, as well as targeting members of the Palestinian movement themselves.

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[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Youtube wiped Richard Medhurst's Israel-Gaza coverage and demonitized his channel.

Hasbara doesn't seem very confident if they have to resort to these methods.

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago
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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

QUESTION: It’s precisely because of that that in the region, as you know, there is mistrust over the Israelis saying, and actually of the U.S. position as well, because there is previous administrations that took us to war in Iraq on a lie that was defended on a very high level, including behind this podium. That’s why people are cynical when you hear something. We might not know the truth, but would the United States support an international investigation? That’s —

MR MILLER: I do not believe that is appropriate at this time. The Israeli Government has released a great deal of evidence to support their contention that it – this was a misfire rocket attack from inside Gaza that unfortunately landed on this hospital and killed it looks like hundreds of civilians. The U.S. Government is conducting its own assessment.

And I would just say, from Hamas’s side we’ve seen a claim backed up by zero evidence, and it is unfortunate that a lot of people believe a claim from a terrorist organization in absence of them having provided any evidence at all when you are seeing the Israeli Government provide evidence. And I know people treat that skeptically, and I understand the reasons why. But I do – would hope that people who are trying to determine what actually happened would look at the fact that Israel has released information and Hamas has not in this instance.

https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-october-19-2023/#post-492870-ispal

When you definitely aren't lying about what happened.

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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

biden-troll This man is all that stands between you and Hamas paragliders coming to YOUR town and killing you. Do you stand with him?

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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

It is astounding I could get fired from my job for doing the right thing and condemning it

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://streamable.com/scw2cy

  1. While the Palestinian Youth Movement offered chants that would be much stronger than other demonstrations on this issue, one was cut off before hearing the response: "They've got tanks, we've got hang gliders-" was cut off and turned to "Free, free Palestine!"

One of the funniest things I've seen recently. This is a protest group in Washington DC. "No that's too much not here" and quickly changing the chant. PSL were also present.

From this thread: https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1714847599616737474

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[-] FLAMING_AUBURN_LOCKS@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

i think a fun bit would be to convince the middle class libs who mindlessly repeated “Slava Ukraini” that the cool new phrase to show your support of the Good Guy is “Marg Bar Israel”. just tell em its hebrew for I Stand With Israel

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[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Hamas leader Haniyeh says US responsible for hospital massacre

The United States is responsible for the deadly Israeli attack on the al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza, says Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh. “The US holds the responsibility of the hospital attack because of the cover it gives to the Israeli aggression,” Haniyeh said.

Haniyeh added that the attack confirmed Israel’s “brutality” and the extent of its “defeat” after Hamas’s attack on October 7. He also called for Palestinians in the occupied West Bank to rise up against the Israeli occupation – just as thousands take to the streets in Ramallah.

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

The megathread may have respeced to level 1 but our power remains

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!

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palestine-heart palestine-heart palestine-heart

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