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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] Kaputnik@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In Canada the only party showing any support for Palestinians is the NDP, which is sad because they're the most milquetoast socdems I've ever seen and their support is similarly weak. But when one representative goes a little bit farther and actually calls for ending the occupation of Palestine, the party leadership forces her to apologize and the government of Ontario is trying to prevent the MPP from being recognized as a sitting representative. Literally exposing how meaningless our conceptions of liberal democracy are when the people who voted for this representative are being told they can't actually vote for those ideas because it's out of step with the western party line

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[-] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

jesus-christ just saw a fucking ghoul saying on tv

Let me be clear, Israel is NOT committing war crimes and genocide

I feel like if you have to say that, than you're just confirming it

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[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

They want us to believe that Hamas has rockets that can vaporize an entire building

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[-] puff@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

Breakthrough News (based) managed to interview a Hamas representative who says Israel is REJECTING ceasefire talks because the US is backing the continuation of bloodshed.

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[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

Average centrist public figure: One thousand years of blood for every Israeli killed.

Average liberal public figure: I just hope that everyone can come to their senses and stop this violence, which, to be clear, no one in particular is responsible for. Legally you can not get mad at me for saying this.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hebrew media: An IDF tank accidentally fired a short time ago and hit an Egyptian position near the border in the Kerem Shalom area. The incident is being investigated and the details are under review.

IDF are attacking Egypt positions.

Israel really thinks it can fight a war on literally every single border it has.

EDIT: Israeli media now says this occurred "by mistake" doubt

"I just accidentally shot at your positions on your side of the border by accident uwu."

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

I have intelligence from a very trustworthy source that Hamas was responsible for blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline

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[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

pleased to say everyone but the hardcore zionists in my life are firmly pro-palestine now

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[-] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

I found this article about the initial breach of the Gaza fence which is very interesting.

Israel apparently had about ~100 positions with remote controlled sniper rifles and HD cameras. If something moves beyond the fence, an alert is raised to operators located elsewhere who can zoom in and decide to fire or not. The system also includes 22 additional HD cameras along the fence, which are also the main eyes of the colonizers beyond the fence.

Hamas managed to simultaneously disable those 100 sniper positions by launching ~150 drones. I'm guessing this is the videos we saw soon after the initial assault, where drones were dropping payloads on what looked like high tech watchtowers. Then once the rifles were disabled, they immediately shot down the 22 cameras.

This all happened so fast that the soldiers on watch with the equipment assumed it was a technical failure, and literally called tech support and started to wait for a tech chefs-kiss

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[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 71 points 1 year ago

Every western journalist reporting that this was a resistance rocket should be shot and hung upside down in the street, holy fucking shit I hate these ghouls with every cell in my body

[-] iheartmold@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

My old high school had a pro Palestine protest/walkout and videos of it were uploaded on my city's Instagram page. The comments are horrible like people are commenting that they die, be deported (most of the people who were a part of the protest are muslims or poc) and join hamas. Fuck Canada kkkanada

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[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago
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[-] Zrc@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

easily one of my favorite pictures of the Palestinian resistance

they're cute girls frfr

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[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

Haven't seen it posted here yet:

China has moved six warships to the middle east (Undisclosed location): https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/115880/China-six-warships-Middle-East-war-Israel

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[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

The old thread is dying, and the new thread struggles to be born: now is the time of posters.

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago
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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

It's TiMe To MoVe On FrOm ThE hOsPiTaL bOmBiNg So We CaN bElIeVe ThE lIeS aBoUt ThE UPCOMING hOsPiTaL bOmBiNgS.

Why are we still talking about this

Why are we arguing about which side is The Bad Guys? Why aren't we trying to find a way to achieve peace?

Nitter

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[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

The British government is grandstanding about denouncing "China's human rights violations in Xinjiang" again. This time while actively supporting an actual genocide.

ukkk

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[-] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

Idiots on tiktok really think America can just flip a switch and turn what manufacturing we have into tank factories. They think tiny private ship yards can some how scale and produce survey carries.

Being told to look at ww2 for before and after tank production.

Being told that it's fine that most of the electronics for our war equipment comes from Taiwan.

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[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

Fellas, what's stopping your car from looking like this:

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[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

from the onion

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

Reminder that Reddit has become so heavily depopulated recently that's it's size is a fraction of its former self. Most of those people posting are even more terminally online than before. Probably why they're so much more rabid.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

Hezbollah, then (the previous war) and now

          2006    2023

Fighters  5,000   60,000

Missiles  14,000  150,000

And + increased skills from combat in Syria

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[-] companero@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-turkey-erdogan-idAFL8N3BQ56J

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Friday called on Israel to stop its attacks on Gaza, which he said amounted to genocide, and urged the international community to work for a humanitarian ceasefire in the region.

I know he is all bark and no bite, but a NATO member outright calling it genocide seems significant.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

Hezbollah are using recoilless rifles vs tanks and according to reports it is working because these weapons are so fucking old that modern design is not actually considering them at all.

I find it interesting that there is no video being released demonstrating this, but much gossip about it. Seems like an advantage Hezbollah are keeping close to their chests and not releasing footage of for a reason.

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[-] asa_red_heathen@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

164 years ago today, a man did absolutely nothing wrong

JB-shining-aggro

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The idea that Hamas soldiers were just walking around with instructions on how to make chemical weapons is so mind numbingly stupid that I'm worried I might explode on any normies who parrot this nonsense IRL.

Al-Aqsa Flood Plan according to Israel:

Step 1: Behead all babies in immediate vicinity

Step 2: Conduct science experiment to create Sarin using common household cleaning supplies

Step 3: Sabotage our rocket battery and fire them at our hospitals

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[-] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

Estimating whether or not WW3 has kicked off when you wake up based on the amount of new comments on the mega before opening it

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[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

Biden practically got kicked out of Jordan before he even lands

From Aljazeera

A White House official says: “After consulting with King Abdullah II of Jordan and in light of the days of mourning announced by President Abbas of the Palestinian Authority, President Biden will postpone his travel to Jordan and the planned meeting with these two leaders and President Sisi of Egypt. “He looks forward to consulting in person with these leaders soon and agreed to remain regularly and directly engaged with each of them over the coming days,” the official added. Ayman Safadi, Jordan’s foreign minister, has told Al Jazeera that it was “in everybody’s interests” to postpone the planned summit in Jordan with Biden on Wednesday. “People would expect that a summit of this nature would be able to respond to their demands to stop this war,” Safadi said of the talks. Knowing that we could not do that, it was better and it was the right call not to hold it tomorrow and to continue with consultation with a view to getting as soon as possible to a stage where this war ends and the catastrophe it’s causing the Palestinian people in Gaza stop[s].”

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

Ukraine was ready to sign a peace agreement with Russia but the US Govt did not allow it. Confirmed by Gerhard Schroeder, former leader of Germany.

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

I’m working my way through Rashid Khalidi’s history of Palestinians in the 20th century. It’s a great read, I definitely recommend it (and so does Hakim, who I got the rec from). Don’t let what I’m about to say discourage you from reading it.

However, I caught one whiff of the author’s kinda lib brainworms. He talks about Arafat and the PLO, and suggests that while Arafat did a great job of rallying the global south to the cause of the Palestinians, he should have done more to try and speak to Americans and convince them.

This is just pure ideology. It doesn’t matter if Americans want to help the Palestinians. Hell, polls are showing that Americans aren’t really all that sympathetic to Israel anyway. But it doesn’t matter what Americans want, we’re gonna give the Israelis tens of billions in weapons and just as importantly, signs off on their plans for genocide. 95% of Americans could support the Palestinians and it wouldn’t matter. Trying to convince Americans to support a free Palestine is pointless since we don’t live in a democracy.

I should point out that Khalidi is a Palestinian- American, kinda bougie, and mentions that he personally told Arafat all this and Arafat was kinda dismissive. So he’s not really an independent observer in this anyway.

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[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just had to end a phone call with my dear old father. His sick lead-poisoned brain believes that the zionist entity is justified in everything it does because Hamas decapitated these babies, because the zionist entity is "western" (ie. us-foreign-policy) and because Hamas is actually carrying out a second Holocaust.

The man has two PhD's and speaks six languages yet he is the most maliciously idiotic person I have ever met.

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[-] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

The word “terrorism” truly means fucking nothing

If no one in the west calls the most powerful nation on earth that is funding and fully-backing a country committing genocide “terrorists” then words truly have no meaning

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[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

I'm incredibly distraught and seething about the Palestine situation. I'm mad that there is nothing I can do. I went to my local pro Palestine rally in a midsized US city, we yell around then everyone just dispersed and went home. I've donated to UNRWA, but with the aid blockade I'm sure my donation is stuck somewhere. I feel like I'm just gonna go to work and start swinging at my lib coworkers for not caring enough

[-] HarryLime@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

Apparently a synagogue was destroyed by rioters last night in Tunisia. This conflict is also amplifying antisemitic violence. Just horrible all around.

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[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 69 points 1 year ago
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[-] Torenico@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

They just killed them. Children, women, the elderly, nurses, doctors. They just killed them.

[-] Dull_Juice@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

Checking in on Hasan's stream and I guess they're looking at unedited footage of like 10 minutes of sustained bombing around the hospital. I mean I know it's obvious the IDF did it, more evidence I guess though.

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[-] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

The US has perpetrated a global, protracted Barbarossa for nearly a century. Infants in Vietnam and Iraq and Palestine die in bombing raids so white people can have planes drop pink confetti over their gender reveal parties. Operation Al-Aqsa Flood revealed this distinction and began the process of chipping away at this vile world order we've been permitted to propagate.

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago
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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

Well, this is fucking ominous.

IDF flyers warn Palestinians in Gaza to evacuate south or possibly be considered “a partner for the terrorist organization”

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has dropped flyers in the Sabrah neighborhood of Gaza City that urgently warn residents to evacuate to the south or face the possibility of being considered "a partner for the terrorist organization,” according to a CNN translation.

The flyer reads in Arabic:

Urgent warning!

To the residents of Gaza Strip

Your presence north of Wadi Gaza puts your life in danger

Everyone who choses not to evacuate from the north of the strip to the south of Wadi Gaza might be considered as a partner for the terrorist organization.

Israel Defense Forces

The IDF confirmed it had dropped the flyers in a statement, adding there was "no intention to consider those who have not evacuated from the affected area of fighting as a member of the terrorist group."

The IDF "treats civilians as such, and does not target them," the statement said.

The IDF told CNN that the translation of the flyer from Arabic that “has spread online” was imprecise, but it did not elaborate.

The United Nations has said that the Israeli order to evacuate the entire population of northern Gaza, which is approximately 1.1 million people, is "impossible" without causing major humanitarian consequences.

There are currently 2.2 million people in Gaza.

The IDF said they continue to urge residents in northern Gaza to evacuate “for their own safety.”

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-21-23/h_f0fbb59578c2e92529b936d96a9039d2

Hello, Gazans. Flee south or risk death. But - tbh - we're shelling the south too. Pick your poison! Best wishes, IDF.

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