Sure, if we ignore the fact that those engineers had all of their work checked by people we called calculators.
That sounds like women's work, of course we're going to ignore it
I'm just testing that the calculator works. It's part of the scientific process, sweaty
An exquisite typo.
Okay look, some of the math I do on a daily basis is like 5 levels above basic addition (it looks like I've written a whole ass sentences of gibberish) but like what if they changed it? I'd rather be sure that 2+2 still equals 4 than be wrong and the thing I'm working on ends up making expensive sounds.
There's also just removing the cognitive load of having to process this information. You're allowed to look up the answer (that's what a calculator and the slide rule do).
Using the tools you have to speed up your work doesn't make you a worse engineer than those in the past. You're building off their work so you don't have to constantly literally reinvent the wheel.
Yup. If I'm not ballparking, all math goes through a calculator. It's already there, and I'm already using it. "Trust, but verify".
I am guessing you are an engineer of some sort.
Engineer of wide surfaces - also known as a cleaner.
I'm a Cognitive Developmental Transportation Engineer ... aka school bus driver.
You can't calculate 2+2 with a slide rule
Maybe you can't
Moves C index to 2 on the D scale
Moves indicating line to 2 on the C scale
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Good thing 2+2 and 2*2 yield the same answer. Would have to bust out the addiator otherwise
Well, but fails with 3+3, there an US engineer must use still an addiator. Nowadays it's easier with an pocket calculator.
Technology is invented for the sake of usage. It’s cultural calvinism that postulates that the „harder“ work is the „better“ work.
The issue is that the floor on confidence in knowledge is now basically nothing.
Why is it that 8th graders in 1990 could do solid algebra and polynomials on paper and not need help? Nothing about the math has changed.
Slide rules do not do basic math, that's a poor comparison. People that did higher math on slide rules only used it for part of the problem dealing with logarithms, and that was a shorthand for larger approximation tables in books. That's necessary help. Solving for 2+2 is not. That's for little children that count on their fingers. If you're not in the "WTF?" camp, you're part of the problem.
Difficulty performing mental arithmetic doesn't necessarily correlate with poor overall intelligence or inability to grasp higher math concepts. In a world where we all have calculators in our pockets, there is no reason to bar someone from studies or a career involving higher mathematics simply for being neurologically atypical, nor to shame them for whichever coping strategies allow them to perform.
I'm not confident you're participating in good faith here but, on the off-chance you are; I'm not sure I take your point.
Can you substantiate your initial claim? "The floor on confidence in knowledge is now basically nothing" seems too broad a statement to meaningfully defend.
Even if we assume you're talking about US 8th graders you'll have to be more specific. The US has seen degraded academic performance across the board but the degree varies by State (and often again by County).
What's "necessary help" is up for debate as well. There's a hint of something I can agree with here though. I do agree that, for certain vocations, it's important for individuals to have firm graps on the fundamentals. Programmers ought to be able to code without IDEs and Mathematicians work problems without calculators. I don't agree that the common use of good tools by those professionals results in the brain-drain bogeyman you seem to be shadow boxing.
What am I meant to be alarmed about, exactly?
No, I'm here in good faith.
Being alarmed, I suppose, would be the subjective assessment that this isn't too far off from all the cognitive decline correlated to excessive use of AI. It's an extrapolation, sure, but similar.
It's lovely to think that a phone will always be right on us all, for the rest of our lives. IRL, shit happens. Sometimes people just dug a calf out of a pond, their phone got soaked, and they still need to divide 250 lbs of fertilizer by 10 barrels and not be seized by indecision because there's not a cell phone around.
Slide rules do not do basic math, that's a poor comparison
He doesn't know that. None of the idiots advocating regressive imbecilism actually understand what they are talking about.
Am engineer, made my own slide rule for fun
Still check basic arithmetic because I'd rather overestimate my own incompetence than underestimate it
And a team of 20 black girls who solved all their math problems
Plotwist; It's an AI calculator and the answer is 80085
“Is the answer 3?”
Ai taking a drag from a cigarette: “Sure thing kid, why not?”
“Wow, so smart.”
I genuinely do hate AI, this is joke about it constantly validating everything asked of it instead of actually being useful.
They say we can stand on the shoulders of giants, but first we gotta climb a friggin giant
just cut it's achilles tendon and it'll lower itself for you
that's why the true progress is made if we simplify our mental models so they're easier to explain ... because then the next generation can get running faster and therefore get farther.
... And now read idiots who advocate that it is OK to not understand analogue clock:
I saw that. It's fucking breathtaking, the apologists for stupidity.
If I go start an account on a .ml instance and claim letters and numbers are colonial, patriarchal constructs and should be eliminated, I'll be the most popular poster until I accidentally make everyone illiterate out of spite.
Yeah, and the level of upvotes these idiots have is truly shocking.
Lemmy is no way better than Reddit and the Idiocracy is a documentary.
I feel like fucking vomiting just thinking about it.
guess the new "go touch grass" is going to be "go read a dial clock"
This is incorrect. The Apollo program led to massive development of computer technology because it would not be possible without it. They created the first real time computers and were the world's largest buyer of integrated circuits at the time. Computers were part of every single part of the mission and were critical to it's success. See One Giant Leap : The Impossible Mission That Flew Us to the Moon for further information.
Engineer in 1969 : "nwords" Engineer today: "no that's my dad, I just graduated and started working here too. Yea my grandfather too." "I grew up pretty conservative"
Till, only USA has engineers
Yes they drive trains
If you're walking under something I've designed, would you prefer I save time?
me when i have no perspective
Engineering mathematics is easy. Follow simple rules, follow simple formula, do basic algebra, don't screw up ur units. The issue is when numbers start to get involved. I've made more mistakes simply doing the number wrong than anything else. This is why using code to solve all ur problems is goated
If they are taking an exam, they are not yet an engineer.
Also if you need to check simple math during your exam, you will fail super hard because you will run out of time with almost non of the work completed.
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