i would take anything from reddit with a grain of salt, and anything from r/teachers with an even bigger grain of salt. this is not to say that computers/the internet arent in some way hurting children's development but i think there are a lot of lies said on r/teachers because it confirms people's biases and gets a shit ton of upvotes

edit: i mean seriously. that place is a reactionary shit hole, clicked on thread and am immediately seeing comments with 100s of upvotes blaming these kids for having "zero work-ethic" and no "grit" and how they're being given too much grace blah blah blah

edit 2: got to original comment, and important context that even if this is true, the person in the screenshot says they are working in an extremely poor area. however, also still probably a reactionary shithead

My good faith read is that many parents are overwhelmed and burnt out. I teach kids from working poor families. Folks are maintaining two or 3 jobs, pulling 10 hour shifts, and doing it while being a single parent to multiple children.

My bad faith read is that some of these parents are just outright neglecting their kids and know teachers will pick up the slack because we have no other choice. If we want them to learn, we have to teach them the basics their parents didn't teach them first.

commenter isnt even mentioning that their school is absolutely extremely underfunded and probably defacto racially segregated

Skeptical about the screenshot. And rest of thread.

I asked if he knew the color red, he said No, and I ended up having to google a picture of the color and show it to him.

The teacher was unable to locate a red object in a kindergarten class?

Out of classes of 20, over half are in early reading intervention groups. They can't spell or write their names

Isn't that what school is for at this age? Surely its not assumed that the majority of children can spell before going to kindergarten at age 4 or 5.

we're supposed to have them reading writing full sentences...

Here is a kindergarten writing curriculum I found: https://www.wpschools.org/cms/lib/NJ01001331/Centricity/Domain/4/K%20Writing.pdf By the end of November, expectations:

Demonstrate command of the conventions of standard English capitalization, punctuation, and spelling when writing.

A. Capitalize the first word in a sentence and the pronoun I.

B. Recognize and name end punctuation.

C. Write a letter or letters for most consonant and short-vowel sounds (phonemes).

D. Spell simple words phonetically, drawing on knowledge of sound-letter relationships.

If this is supposedly an inside baseball forum for people who are professional teachers, why are they not discussing the sorts of things which are reasonable goals? I would expect to see stuff about assessment tools/criteria, milestones etc.

kindergartners coming in who are not toilet trained - so many that the district is now advising teachers to make a toilet training plan.

I don't believe that phones can cause parents to delay toilet training for years. What is the proposed mechanism for assuming such cost (diapers) and inconvenience (laundry and mess)? How do phones make that less annoying.

I don't buy that this could be ubiquitous among poor people or people who work long hours.

never believe anything written on reddit

Heads up, that sub is straight up filled with racists

Maybe technology is bad for kids, but that reads like a good ol' "kid-stupid" boomer bait.

there were more community pre-K programs going on when i was a kid, as far as i am aware. like that was a thing parents could take advantage of at no cost.

it wasn't just 0 -> kindergarten. i did a year in pre-school where i learned the ABCs song and basic phonics.

from what i understand now, that shit hardly exists in most communities and if it does, it is not only not free, it's expensive as hell, so it's only for affluent parents.

class sizes are also bigger and as i've heard from career public school teachers, every class is all over the place in terms of abilities. so if you have 1-2 kids who need a ton of attention, it's doable. but once you have more than 5, it's a bust.

schools allocated funding towards teachers aids, but i wouldn't be shocked if, like every thing else, that got offloaded decades ago onto competitive federal block grants which have all seen gutting this year.

so, you take all that, you take the socioeconomic context of the place, the fact that public school teaching has been reduced to precarious levels of pay for requiring extensive expensive education and professional licensing, and you deploy it all as a strategic, deliberate, multi-pronged approach to gutting universal free education as a social program for the working class and you're going to see a catastrophe that compounds year over year regardless of whatever technology "these dang kids today" are using.

before it was phones, it was video games. before that TV, before that comics. kids with exhausted/inattentive parents stay up crazy late goofing around into some shit and are completely fucked during the school day with behavioral problems and they aren't thriving in the classroom.

i love to shit on phones/screens and doomscrolling, but the bigger picture here is austerity, emiseration, and inequality at 100 year highs.

it takes a village to raise a child and the village is on fire.

i never buy shit like this anymore. i b doing shit outside. i interact with kids in my neighborhood or kids at the skatepark regularly enough that i can confidently say the kids are alright. i find it pretty wild how older people are constantly trying to claim these kids cant read too. all they do is read on their phones and shit all day. maybe they can’t spell due to auto correct but boomers can’t either and thats not phones fault.

I remember there was a big stir back then about China restricting screentime and gaming hours for children/students. Lots of liberal and chud pearl clutching of course, but it's funny to see that westerners are suffering what China had already proposed a solution to years ago.

There are so many things wrong with the way we raise kids. Right from day one the whole community is supposed to raise a child and teach them. Instead we are isolated in family groups. But those family groups don't have the time and energy to both work and raise a child, so the child gets raised by an algorithm. The algorithm is designed for engagement, not education, so they are essentially raised by a toy.

The thing that scares me the most though is how parents are using monitoring technology. Kids are growing up thinking constant surveillance is normal and OK. They are going to grow up and not knowing how to set boundaries.

What happens when a little girl grows up, gets a boyfriend, and thinks that it's perfectly fine that he installed a stalking app on her phone, because after all, that's what her mother used to do?

What a reactionary filled reddit thread. Ugh.

Maybe students are apathetic, disinterested and untrustworthy of adults for a reason other than TikTok? Hmmm...

We build a world with no sense of purpose and then wonder why children have no interest in learning anything. We should study what these devices do to us, there might be effects we deem harmful and that should be regulated.

Also some of the largest offline communities around my hometown are churches who think technology and woke are ruining the world. They're the best equipped to organize people, at the current moment. Why do you guys think they want to ban tiktok? The outcome might not be as rosy as it might seem, should it happen right now.

When mommy and daddy both have to work 2-3 jobs to pay the rent..

We should probably go ahead and hatch a plan to completely destroy the internet.

I have long thought that people shouldn't be allowed to be parents and this just really reaffirms that, as Americans push more and more parenting onto school workers anyway. It just blows my mind that something as important as teaching new people how to be people is just left up to people with random (and generally no) qualifications and how staggeringly widespread what is basically child abuse even from parents who aren't even necessarily abusive. There's a lot of knowledge necessary to even attempt to raise a kid properly.

I'm sure this has everything to do with YouTube and nothing to do with the fact that parents can't afford private pre school anymore. Definitely let's blame the parents instead of the system

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You could argue that any communication technology that doesn't tie in to everyday life is damaging. We're just seeing something that's far more compartmentalized/alienated than anything else.

A human brain is going to latch onto interesting things no matter what. The impact on the individual's life comes when they can make connections between direct experience and communications.

Something I notice ,kinda connected with that :

I have stumbled about more then one! Video of Gen-zlers Proclaiming that the "Chrysler Building" couldnt have been build by humans. And While i think that "How did that build that ? " , is a Legit Question with ancient Structures (Machu Pichu etc.. ) and thats all good and Fine to Wonder about Ancient Structures that way. But the Chrysler Building ? Seriously ?

Kids have been every problem of society since humans invented society. This is drivel.

that said, kids probably shouldn't be on Roblox or on the internet unsupervised. but good luck getting that changed under capitalism.