Shooting fascists and risking everything for liberty. We should all follow her example. That also means you don’t break the pasta.
Didn't we fight fascism for the freedom to not give a fuck about "conservative" and "traditional" "values"... most of which are based on nothing more than opinions and feefees?
Grandma was supporting fucking "gugu gaga" movement in the 1940, did you think she was born in fucking 1918?
People's average age is about 44 in Italy, while a generation in the second half of the 20th century lasted about 29 years there.
So for two generations:
44+2*29=102
So the grandma of the average Italian would have been 17 years old in 1940 and thus was not born in 1918, but in 1923.
No "gugu gaga", but still quite young.
On average.
Mine was born in 1939, definitely in "gaga gugu" age at the time, and she's considered old as grandmas go. When talking to someone somewhere around my age (the likes of which I'm more likely to have a conversation, especially about cooking), I can expect their grandma to be less than a decade older than mine. So still very young at the time.
My grandmas were bom in 1914 and 1908.
So together with your value, 1923 sounds somewhat realistic.
I am not Italian, tlough. :-)
1915 and 1907 here, and I’m mid 30s
How old are you? I’m late 30’s and my dad was born in 1943. Not sure when my grandma was born but she must have been in her twenties when she had my dad, because he’s the youngest of five. So there are definitely people in their thirties or forties who have a Italian grandmother who actively supported the fascists.
Americans love to pull up this kind of bullshit, but it really falls even flatter after 2024. You can't do "nazi bar" rhetoric while you have an unmarked militia disappearing people off the streets and doing fuck all about it
Man, this meme sure was spot on...
Normalize scrolling past threads unrelated to US politics if that's all you want to post about.
My grandparent was hiding from the Nazis with their family, as a child?
They also were pushed to stay in the US because Italy wasn’t exactly great postwar, either. Unfortunately here is a more explicitly fascist hellhole now, too.
We also ate broken spaghetti growing up. It’s fine.
To me, breaking spaghetti is just a big sign that someone is a novice at cooking. It's done because the person thinks they can't fit them in the pot and are too inexperienced to know that the noodles will soften enough in just a few seconds to push them the rest of the way in.
It's less "My Italian ancestors would be horrified" and more "Do you know what you're doing? Would you like some help before you ruin whatever dish you're trying to make?"
Or maybe they have kids who have trouble eating full length spaghetti
Or they want an effortless-to-eat meal, not having to choose between getting all dirty and spending more time rolling the damn pasta on the fork than eating
Then buy differen pasta, maybe? :p
or just break em :p
To me, the breaking of spaghetti is just a thing smug snobs like to use as a call out to make others feel less than.
If someone breaks pasta noodles, who fucking cares? It tastes the same!
I’ve been cooking homemade from scratch pastas for over 30 years. I break the spaghetti if I feel like the dish needs shorter noodles. So no, I know exactly what I’m doing and I don’t need your help.
Ffs… thinking a dish is “ruined” because someone Broke the spaghetti. LMAO!
I couldn't care less what type of noodles I'm eating in an Italian dish. I care more about the sauce and protein.
Exactly! Thank you! Same here. The shape/length of the noodle is entirely irrelevant to the dish, unless it’s a specific thickness of sauce, because then you’d base the pasta noodle on wether or not it can hold the sauce.
I have cooked pasta 100s of times and I prefer it broken. Long pasta in annoying when you twirl it on a fork since you get often too much too little.
Also nice that the cooking is standardised so you can test a single pasta and know it's a representative sample.
And if your pot size is small, it takes a lot longer than a couple of seconds to soften enough to push it in.
I can use a slightly smaller pot if I break the spaghetti
“Ruin” lmao also 0 difference to my tastebuds
You honestly believe breaking the pasta has a chance of ruining it? Lol
Whenever someone says a person who isn’t eating the thing I’m making has an opinion I’m like ‘good thing I’m not feeding it to them’
Like cmon. if someone makes something they like and I’m not there to eat it/they aren’t making it for me, they shouldn’t give a hoot what I think. More power to them. Why and how even is this an argument ever anyways.
A lot of people get weirdly aggressive about other people "eating food wrong".
Try saying "actually, sometimes as a treat, when just cooking for myself, I quite like eating pasta with just a little salt and a little butter, or maybe a little grated cheese on it" in front of a group of people...
"YOU SHOULD PUT SAUCE ON IT"
"WHY AREN'T YOU HAVING A SAUCE"
"YOU CAN GET PRE-MADE SAUCES QUITE CHEAP, IT DOESN’T COST MUCH MORE JUST TO ADD A SAUCE"
That's just pasta bianca, a valid and well known Italian dish.
I did not know that. Thank you! It's good to have a response next time the Sauce Mafia descend upon me.
My grandma was a first generation immigrant from Italy and would not have given a shit. I don't have a strong preference but not everyone wants longass spaghetti.
There's 37643782 pasta shapes and they all taste good
I love trying different pasta shapes. When I was single, I would keep several different types, and when I'd make pasta, I'd mix them up in the same pot. Fun!
Until I got married, and found out that some people are profoundly insulted by mixed pastas. It's not one of those things that couples discuss before marriage like kids, or which side of the bed they prefer, so it sort of blind sides you when it occurs.
I have also found that many people have strong preferences about shapes, and truly hate some shapes, claiming they taste bad. It's all pasta, shape shouldn't matter, but there is no negotiating with these people. Because of this, I seldom enjoy Farfalle anymore.
My Italian grandpa escaped a Nazi camp and brought his wife and my mom to America. Now I need to escape my family back to Italy. Funny how that worked out
hello distant relation i would like to join you on your emigration please and thank you. i promise to buy a large enough pan i don't have to break my noodles
Uh... Lotta people in not Italy with Italian grandmothers are in not Italy because their Grandma fled fascism.
Broke spaghetti last night while cooking for dinner. I also threw it against the cabinet to make sure it was done cooking.
I have a toddler so cooking "rules" go out the window for laughter.
Me, on the lookout for fascist nonas, as I break my spaghetti
Hiding us allies in the same house the germans occupied (our house). Now please put down those spaghetti you burger freak.
Parading the body of Mussolini through Italy by his ankles.
She was a child... But what does that have to do with spaghetti anyway?
There is this nice little book by Alberto Grandi that looks at the history of Italian cuisine and finds out that many of those "old food traditions" were invented after WW2. It's really a great read if you want to talk a look behind this italian food snobbery:
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20250227-is-there-no-such-thing-as-italian-cuisine
It's 2025. There's barely a person on Lemmy whose grandma's were more than 15 years old in the early 1940's.
My grandma was born in 1929, grandpa in 1926, so they'd be 97 and 100 next year, and were approaching their 20s in the 40s. But that's just me. I'm not even 40. There are plenty of people on Lemmy over 40, 50, 60. 😛
If it fits in the pan, no break
If it doesn't fit in the pan and you don't have a tall pan, break
If you have a tall pan, and you have no compulsion or impairment preventing you from enjoying full length noodles, get your fucking life together what were you thinking trying to break the pasta like that?
The whole "Italians reacting to people doing food wrong" thing always seemed so performative.
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