Dog whistling bullshit. "Obongo", "waahh socialised medicine is the reason i'm trapped in a poverty spiral" get faaarked
It's 4Chan, "Obongo" is one of the more polite names they could say.
Obamacare is corporate medicine, designed to give more money to the health insurance industry. Anyone in support of socialized medicine should not be a fan of it just because it's marginally better than before.
Obamacare isn't perfect and made some things more expensive for some people. Yes it helped others and overall I think it's beneficial, but covering your ears and pretending that anon is blaming socialized medicine entirely is just inaccurate.
Criticism, when factual, is good.
Schedules one hour under benefits have been a feature for a lot longer than Obamacare.
yes, which would make this specific criticism of Obamacare nonfactual, but anon is still not blaming socialized medicine like the person I replied to thinks
Anyone using the word Obongo to refer to Obama does not make that distinction. Anything left of YOYO plans is socialized healthcare to them.
can only get 25 hours because obongocare
That's not exactly a criticism and more of a dog whistle, as the person you replied to said.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Obongo
Congratulations on not hearing the whistle, but this is not the "other side" discourse you were looking for.
I know what obongo means, don't know what "other side" discourse you think I'm looking for, but you seem to have made up your mind about what kind of strawman I am, so have fun I guess.
To be fair, the requirement to provide health insurance and other benefits for full-time workers is definitely one of the leading causes of the reduction in full-time jobs. If lawmakers were really putting the peoples' interests first, they would have just said that for a part-time job the employer would have to provide benefits based on the fraction of 40 hours the employee worked (e.g. 20 hours is half-benefits).
Look I'll be honest with you. As someone outside the US the idea that your workplace is responsible for your private insurance / healthcare is bug fuck insane and open to exploitation on a mind boggling scale.
Look at it like this: in America, a sizeable portion of people think that your direct economic utility is a good measure of if you deserve to live. They'll justify it by saying things like "they don't think it's governments place" to provide social services, and that it's better handled through charity.
If you don't have a workplace you need to go for real American style socialized medicine: GoFundMe.
(The history behind it is that before anyone was really doing socialized healthcare workplaces in the US started offering health insurance as a way to increase compensation during the WW2 wage freezes. Eventually it was so pervasive that it was a recognized form of compensation, and then it was the easiest way to dictate that everyone had insurance, since a lot of people listened to the fear mongering that was going on. "Nothing changes you just can't get kicked off for developing cancer". It also lined up with the beliefs of those who think that people who aren't working don't deserve support)
Not just open to exploitation; openly exploited. Disruption to coverage and questions about what could be covered differently are significant factors that cause people to choose not to take a job elsewhere.
The trick is that health insurance can be bought directly, but it's just so insanely expensive to do it that way so nobody does. Companies get a huge discount to buy bulk enterprise packages, and then their employees pay for a lot of it themselves. The portion that the company pays for is just an expense of labor, the same as salary, and offering better than the company across the street is an incentive to get better hires.
The ACA basically was just "hey, you know that discount that companies are getting? Now do it for the state and we'll offer it to everybody. And insurance companies will like it because people are given incentive to buy this because we're gonna fine people for not being insured." Pretty shitty deal, but at least people had the freedom to jobhop or become unemployed and keep their doctors.
It's cheaper and easier to buy a gun than to get an abortion in this shithole country.
If lawmakers were really putting the peoples' interests first, they'd pass socialized medicine
lawmakers were really putting the peoples’ interests first, they would have just said that for a part-time job the employer would have to provide benefits based on the fraction of 40 hours the employee worked (e.g. 20 hours is half-benefits).
Then shitty jobs would only give people up to 10 hours per week so they'd have to work 4 jobs to get close to 40 hours, and of course that quarter benefits wouldn't cover jack shit. Quarter benefits and people working 4 jobs would also make it a 75% chance that any employee you hire and schedule at ~10 hours per week doesn't accept the benefits thereby saving the business money
Better solution would be single payer healthcare, i.e. Medicare for all, plus expanding social security to pay more than a starvation amount would also be ideal. I've also previously outlined the thoughts of expanding SNAP/Foodstamps to all, housing assistance vouchers to all and Social Security to all to effectively reach UBI based entirely off of existing programs that tens of millions of Americans are already on right now. Work becomes how you fund hobbies and a better lifestyle and economic downturns don't hurt normal people as much
It's just an expression of the republican fantasy that a strong welfare state causes people to be lazy
When in reality they make it so you have to choose.
If he wasnt stuck working 25 hours a week and was able to do 40hr a week he'd be living pretty well.
Why is obamacare limiting him to 25 hours?
Their employer is a scumbag. Instead of being mad the actual problem, they choose to believe their exploitative employer, who throws their hands up and claims "it's not MY fault you aren't paid enough!"
Part-time employees don't get benefits, so they limit you to just under what is considered full-time employment because they hate you.
Isn't being poor cool?
It's not, his boss is.
I hate to break it to you 4chan dwelling normie fucking stupid shit head, but that 25 hrs a week is not because of the Affordable Care Act. It's because of greedy capitalist fucks who are squeezing you for every cent they give you to maximize profit margins well beyond what they need to for a healthy business model.
It's because of greedy capitalist fucks who are squeezing you
A healthcare system that makes everyone dependent on employers really makes it easy for them.
Medicare For All is about a lot more than just healthcare.
Don't blame the ACA, those companies always had people working part time and just lowered the hours further.
Those companies would be screwing you regardless, you can't get a company to do anything but acquire profit without government to restrain them, otherwise they run the show and would own you as a slave. Only government limits their power, which would be absolute otherwise.
Unfortunately, our government is now under the control of corporations and has been for some time (since at least "money is free speech" and "corporations are people" court victories), defeating it's purpose. We used to break up monopolies and remove business licenses for unlawful practices! The good old days.
Hmmm, if corporations are people, and they make and employ AI, that means AI is people or something. So that's kinda neat.
I will not consider a corporation or AI a 'person' until Texas publicly executes one.
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