Why not just ship it without any of the AI stuff and give users the option to install and use it instead of bloating the application? This also confirms that the stuff is essentially OPT OUT instead of OPT IN
The bubble is AI and they want some of that bubble investor money is my guess, so they put optional AI
"On by default unless you run down a setting buried in a menu" is the thinnest type of optional in computing.
That's fair, but also if you search AI in the settings it shows you all the options
Because they're counting on people who know nothing about technology using the AI stuff when it's placed in front of them.
In their defense a very tiny percentage of users even open options and of those an even smaller actually change stuff.
Maybe slighlty different for Firefox as probably more power user use it than other random programs. But basically if something is not enabled by default, it doesn't exist.
Does anyone even talk about what the “AI features” are?
Could I, liked recolor webpages? Automate ublock filters? Detect SEO/AI slop? Create a price/feature table out of a shopping page?
See, this would all be neat like auto translate is neat.
But I’m not really interested in the 7 millionth barebones chatbot UI. I’m not interested in loading a whole freaking LLM to auto name my tabs, or in some cutsie auto navigation agent experiment that still only works like 20% of the time with a 600B LLM, or a shopping chatbot that doesn’t do anything like Amazon/Perplexity.
That’s the weird thing about all this. I’m not against neat features, but “AI!” is not a feature, and everyone is right to assume it will be some spam because that’s what 99% of everything AI is. But it’s like every CEO on Earth has caught the same virus and think a product with “AI” in the name is like a holy grail, regardless of functionality.
You reminded me that one use for AI I'd really like is removing all photos of Trump, Musk and Putin from my screen. Another is filtering the twenty reposts of every event in US politics and the incessant whining about prices. Alas, I need these in phone apps more than the browser.
You don’t need LLMs for that. An iPhone is plenty powerful enough for image recognition and text classification.
That’s sorta the funny thing about AI. There’s tons of potential, but it’s just unimplemented. Even on PC, you pretty much have to have some Nvidia GPU and fight pip setting up python repos to get anything working.
Right right. If they had real innovation, they would have defined it clearly as you suggested. But they didn't, so they don't. It's all snake oil, again, because that's the entire AI industry.
The term snake oil is actually especially fitting for this, due to its origins.
In Britain in the 1700s there was a somewhat common recommendation for using rattlesnake oil from the fat of the snake for skin diseases/rheumatism. The efficacy is debated but it's got some amount of potential for change (if not help).
This turned into people in the US selling mineral oil as "snake oil" as a total panacea. So a product that actually could do stuff being used as the poster child for a completely useless product that can solve every issue ever, buy as much as you can today.
Snake oil indeed.
Firefox has had one hidden away in about:config since they started adding AI. Are they going to put it in the settings page now?
I don't really know what an 'ai browser' is and at this point I feel like i really need to ask. What makes a browser "AI"?
Marketing
IDK guys, do you think a web browser should be a "broader ecosystem of trusted software" or a web browser?
I wouldn't mind a web browser being part of a broader system of trusted software, but shoving an AI chatbot into my web browser does not make me trust it more.
You can also disable ai via toggling browser.ml.enable to false on about:config. For now at least...
For the record a quick web search for how to disable AI in firefox gave me this list of items to set to false in about:config :
browser.ml.enable
browser.ml.chat.enabled
browser.ml.chat.sidebar
browser.ml.chat.shortcuts
browser.ml.chat.page.footerBadge
browser.ml.chat.page.menuBadge
browser.ml.linkPreview.enabled
browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled
extensions.ml.enabled
I don't think you need to set all to false, all except the first look like granular settings
What is it actively doing now with AI? There is the ai sidebar, but if you don't use that it isn't used, right?
There's the slow-and-not-very-capable link preview thing... and I could've sworn the "what's new" page the other day said they were adding an on-device model to improve search results or something, but I can't find the reference to it now.
Maybe they removed it after all the AI backlash. 😬
Is there nobody with sanity left? This has blown up so much the user base clearly does not want it. Focus your efforts elsewhere. You gain marketshare by putting users first. Also fuck markets.
Repeat after me. "There is no such thing as a non physical kill switch"
That's nice but it's not good enough. There needs to be a compile flag so the AI code isn't even included at all.
And disabled by default. You're not consumer friendly until it is opt-in.
The reason the "kill-switch" wasn't made clear originally was because it literally didn't exist until users very vocally tool them where to shove their AI crap.
It was added on afterwards.
Not buying it. Kill switch will migrate further and further into about:config until it eventually too goes away without notice in an update six months from now.
Too late - they already lost me.
I hope people don't buy the story that the kill switch was part of the plan all along.
This is clearly the result of mozilla scrambling for a compromise after the backlash to their recent announcement.
Edit: In the blog post that sparked the discussion there's this sentence:
AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off.
They didn't mention a browser-wide kill switch but I agree that that could be what they meant.
In their defense, Mozilla doesn't have their own source of income, they heavily depend on search sponsorships. Jumping onto the AI train is one way to keep afloat for now
They could save time and efforts and just not implement AI features
Would be nice if folks stopped calling LLMs AI. If they are true AI, they would be able to learn how a kill switch works and disable it
Thats nice mozilla.
Installed and set up Librewolf yesterday. Absolutely recommend to everyone.
i wish they would release a second browser instead of whatever this is
I have a better kill switch: Waterfox and LibreWolf. Don't have to worry about of that nonsense right out the gate.

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But that's just saying that instead of using Firefox and not turning on the feature, you'll use a less maintained version of Firefox where they didn't enable the feature. I don't feel like those projects have much value add in the privacy spectrum compared to Firefox, particularly when one of them was owned by an advertising company, and neither of them actually has the resources to maintain or operate a browser in isolation, which is a major concern regarding security and privacy both.
Or they could just ship it without the AI
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