My rebuttal is that your mom's a bitch and there's no reason to pay attention to anything she says.

She's utterly wrong. Take Robin Williams as an example: he was famous, rich, loved by everybody, stupendously funny. Still had depression. Still suffered.

It has nothing to do with people's "value" or their work ethic.

Say something as equally callous and ridiculous but angled to harm them like “I think we should euthanize old people,” and then when they get upset say “that’s what you sound like, so shut the fuck up.”

prove to me that you have value

And then demand that she proves every turtle on the way down. Money is not an indication of value because it has no inherent worth, etc.

Demand that she proves that your value is attributable to her and is not inherent to you. Etc.

"why aren't you a millionaire? Hard work brings wealth. Lazy people like you don't have much value I guess."

Assuming you want to burn that bridge.

Your mom is unfortunately mentally ill. Whether from upbringing or from organic damage to the brain... who knows. There's really not much you can do about it - parents especially are highly unlikely to listen to advice or anything from their children. Try to remove yourself from your mother as far as possible. Minimal communication, minimal contact.

That statement has as much empirical evidence behind it as stating that depression is caused by the lost souls of dead aliens from an ancient federation killed by an evil overlord being stuck to your person and generating negative thoughts as a result of their traumatic death.

Hitchen’s Razor is your ally; what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

Tell your mom some random on the internet told her she can eat a bag of dicks.

Your mom is a bitch.

You can tell her she's a negative person who devalues other humans to make herself feel important.

You can simply tell her that when she speaks like that you personally think less of her.

tell her to remember that as she ages and her "value" declines

Why does your mom think she can decide who deserves to live?

I'd tell them to shut the fuck up and not to speak that way about people in my presence.

My parents try to bait me into silly and shitty discussions like this, usually prompted by some conservative bullshit they saw on their preferred news program, and I just very simply say: "We can't discuss this because it is going to make me hate you." That's been enough to put an end to it for me.

Nothing, someone with that world view isn't worth talking to. I've argued with enough brick walls in my life to recognize one.

Well, what is value ? What's her "value" ?

Helping others is of enormous value.

1. All humans have an inherent value.
2. Depression has numerous contributing environmental, social, and biological factors.
3. Who asked bitch? Shut your dumb ass up.

You cannot logically rebut a bad worldview. Plant seeds of doubt, protect yourself, and move on.

She's been brainwashed into thinking that only people who contribute to capitalism have value.

tell her that at one time women who could no longer give birth or provide for the family were considered worthless. at this point in time what does she think her value would be in a society that believes women are to be used as breeding stock and slave labor?

regardless of what she says follow up with, why does she believe she has value when clearly she's past her prime and can no longer provide children or support the family?

fight fire with fire. if she wants to follow archaic social behaviors throw them back in her face.

"OK, Boomer. "

This won’t help your mom, she won’t change her mind and will try to drag the argument or will just attack until everything is destroyed. But here’s a clear rebuttal of the idea.

The failure of demanding everyone showing worth is determining what is worth and who gets to define and assign it. Every petty warlord believes they are the one to decide… and oh gee, amazing how they have the most worth.

If you tell your mom you will only accept her argument if she accepts you have more worth than her - and demonstrates it to you every day - it will probably make her go no contact until she needs you again for emotional affirmation.

Depression is real, I don’t have it but it’s real and I have friends that deal with it as part of their lives. It sounds like getting out of your mom’s sewer might help, but you might need medication as well.

Stop talking to your mother. She is a bad person and will have negative effects on your mental health.

No rebuttal. Not worth fighting over. Probably can't change her, and who would it really help if you did? If the horrible things people believe are of no consequence to anyone else, just let them believe it. You can't save people from themselves.

I think "nuh uh" is a fair rebuttal, to be honest

"ok boomer"

There is no teaching those who have no interest in learning.

Ask her what "value" is.

my rebuttal would be to cut her entirely out of my life.

Value is a superficial, arbitrary concept. Their value view is different from other people's. Zoom out far enough, and you can argue that nothing has value. Look around, and you can attribute value to many things, countless times.

So, value to whom and in whose eyes? They can't find value to and for others.

Depression is not just an excuse for laziness.

I'm sorry you have to deal with that sort of toxicity in your family. There is no good rebuttal because it just seems like a lack of empathy, no one can make her care.

I'm sure that's rough for you. Wishing you happy holidays despite this callus friction. 💜❤️♥️😘

Your mom is an asshole.

Your mom’s view toward mental health is backwards and unhelpful. Her way of thinking prevents people from getting the counseling, medicine, and / or guidance they need for their mind. Next time she has a physical injury, she should just suck it up and stop being lazy.

It sounds like she doesn’t understand how the brain works differently and in a person with depression.

Unfortunately, she probably isn’t willing to learn. I know a lot of people with similar opinions feel like they know everything.

I’m sorry you have to go through that.

There's no rebuttal. Some people are just wrong and honestly better of out of your life.

Also, I can't imagine she's just a great, enriching person except for those two opinions.

Prune her of your life.

Wow, your mom sucks. Get her out of your life.

Who decides what's valuable? She probably isn't valuable under certain metrics. She thinks broken legs are being lazy?

Give her a tour of the most godawful nursing home to show her future when she no longer has "value."

Seriously, I feel like the owners of those places would feed their clients to the woodchippers if they could get away with it.

You’re mom’s an awful eugenics supporting cunt who isn’t worth speaking to and you would be better off cutting all contact than even looking at her.

I don't think your mom has value. Guess I get to execute her if I want, and she doesn't get to whine about it.