Weird thing is this is the “government takeover” the 2nd amendment nuts have been screaming about for generations. Not at all surprised that they’re mostly silent now. Also not at all surprised it their own political party who’s doing this.
I keep seeing this take and it's half thought out at best. First of all, I don't think it's true. There are plenty of armed citizens not sympathetic to ICE in any way. They are reasonable adults who have not felt it necessary up to this point to engage in a last resort effort that is likely to endanger tens of thousands of people at minimum. You may think we are already past that point, and we may well be, but you can't deny that wanting to be sure it is necessary before taking up arms against their countrymen is exactly what a reasonable adult with a firearm should do.
Second, if what you are saying is true and there are no reasonable citizens with guns then the logical course of action is to buy a gun, organize in your community, and practice your 2nd Amendment rights as you see fit. They don't just apply to conservatives despite what Bovino is trying to argue. Complaining about the past isn't going to change the future so if you see a gap, fill it.
Now I don't know if you're American or not but I do see this sentiment from Americans on a regular basis and that is who am I addressing.
I don't think they meant "all gun owning citizens" when they said "2nd amendment nuts". I think they were talking about a particular type of person who bases their whole identity around owning guns to fight against the government.
These people have been led around by the nose their whole lives. The same people who have been shouting this nonsense at the 2nd losers are the ones who were inevitably going to pull this.
OC
Yeah, but the picture is obviously a casual tour of the Capitol. That's the lie they've told and lies before that and this is another round of lies people want to believe. And I'm sure I'll hear it spouted when I'm out and about.
They were mostly peaceful, allegedly, and nobody got hurt (if you don't count the people that got hurt or killed).
You're a terrorist assassin deserving of execution if you help a woman who was shoved over in the snow, but attempting to climb through a secure and barricaded in the face of multiple people with their weapons drawn then being shot makes you a tragic victim worth of a multi-million dollar settlement.
War is Peace, also
The fascist will say anything, regardless of reality, logic, or even internal consistency, to advance his self interested power grab and all of the violence it requires. He has no moral code and no allegiance to law. He cannot be reasoned with doesn’t deserve that kind of deference. Once he achieves control, he cannot be voted out of power.
"Rights aren't rights if they can be taken away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country: A bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news, even badly you know that the list gets shorter and shorter" - George Carlin
At this point I think it's pretty safe to conclude that when the right-wing 2A guys argue that 2A is inviolable/shall not be infringed, they mean it only in the context of service to right-wing politics, not that it's a right that applies to anyone else. In other words, they support the notion of privilege, not rights.
My dad has always said it'd be the Republicans who would take guns.
They're working for it.
California's gun-control culture started with a 1967 law (Mulford Act) designed to outlaw carrying loaded guns. It was specifically written to keep the Black Panthers from patroling their neighborhoods with loaded firearms.
It was signed into law by Ronald Reagan.
I was actually surprised to see a lot of comments on r/conservative talking about how the stuff the feds are saying about the second amendment is wrong and unconstitutional, and a good number saying that the killing wasn't necessary, they'll ultimately support Trump and ICE over any kind of progressive though but it was interesting. Even the NRA posted about how Pretti was a legal gun owner and there should be an investigation before people jump to conclusions.
When the order to seize the guns comes, it will come from the right, and not the left. Those with money can have guns, those without, can't, no matter what party they belong to.
Never gonna happen in the USA.
If MAGA takes permanent power, you can kiss your legal guns goodbye.
No such thing as permanent power.
Historically speaking or in your personal experience in the US?
Said the republic right before Caesar
There was a lot more than just the 2nd amendment right that was being violated there.
Something, something, inalienable rights, something, something, life, liberty...
Never seen a bovine more ripe for the meat packing plant. Not that I'd let any dog i care about touch the filth that comes from his carcass in particular.
The NRA and right wing gun culture has convinced a generation that the 2A is about your right to own a gun.
The 2A is explicitly about your right to organize members of your community in order to defend your community, the fact that you need weapons for that means that you must also have the right to own weapons.
It also explicitly says “right of the people to keep and bear Arms”. Not sure what point you’re trying to make.
I hate that fucking smug face, where is a Lugi when one is needed.
I didn't realize constitutionally-enshrined rights were something a single appointed official could wave away simply by saying they "don't count."
And even if the victim had broken a law (say, if he didn't have a permit (which he did)), then the legal recourse isn't a summary execution. He was disarmed, he was no longer a threat, and even if he had been carrying illegally (which he wasn't), the law says that he be arrested and granted due process in a court of law.
These federal agents violated due process and the rule of law, and the victim didn't even break any laws.
I didn’t realize constitutionally-enshrined rights were something a single appointed official could wave away simply by saying they “don’t count.”
IOKIYAR.
This Pretti guy didn't seem like he was sufficiently identifying as a Republican...rights only belong to conservative Republicans.
Mind explaining the acronym? Too many permutations for me to try to think it through...
Oh!
IOKIYAR -> It's OKay If You're A Republican
Oh! I see. In-groups and out-groups. Protecting and binding. Got it!
Thanks
This guy certainly is embracing the nazi lifestyle, he ever gonna face consequences?
Quite a number of Nazis escaped prosecution. They had to be tracked down over half a century, and still a lot escaped entirely.
Quite a few German Nazis were employed by the US Government after the war:
Operation Paperclip generally targeted people with an IQ above room temperature. No one in this administration would qualify.
ICE agents carry weapons and citizens fear for their lives... so by their standards....
You fucking Nazis are not granting us our rights....you work for us fuck head
If these officers "feared for their lives" in this situation, maybe we need some agents who aren't fucking cowards. I didn't realize MAGA knowingly celebrated cowardly men.
Cool. Do I get to decide which rights apply to Bovino and his bullshit army now? What he's doing doesn't sound much like "...support[ing] and defend[ing] the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..." or "...bear[ing] true faith and allegiance to the same..." so his actions ought to have consequences too.
Before the reply: No, I will not elaborate, fed.
This administration is playing with fire by trying to blame this on the gun that the man was legally carrying and licensed to own.
The 2A people in MAGA are not happy, there's a little civil war brewing in r/conservative between the bots and the 2A supporters.
God I hope so.
Go look, the amount of people who are against this is equal to or outnumbering the ones trying spin.
This 'he had a gun' angle is not going to cut it.
It took an innocent white man with a gun getting merc'd for the alarm to sound on these folk. Whatever it takes I guess, but that's a sad lot considering all the rights violations and death toll prior.
It's sad, certainly, but I'll hold my tongue if it means gaining more allies to oppose this violence.
We can get back to fighting about domestic and social issues once we make sure that we still have a functioning democracy, none of the other differences matter if that doesn't happen.
The 2nd comment is blaming the fucking gun. Conservatives are idiot clowns.
Remember what happend to Charlie Kirk
I am a lifelong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but not a single issue voter. So no one can really place me politically.
What bothers me most is fellow gun enthusiasts (cough republican gun nuts)... always say its a "God given right".....
these events are going to be a brain melting contraction to their beliefs that the GOP supports them and that the 2A is immutable.
The GOP did a great job of convincing the feeble minded that they are their supporters and guns are their greatest political topic to rally behind... Now trump is having a come to jesus moment for the party, as his DHS, FBI, and others in his administration are saying they will kill you if you have guns around them
The idea of "god given rights" has never been true. Humans have always had to fight for every right they have ever had, and it takes away power from those rights to insinuate they were given to us by some magic sky man.
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