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Surveillance strategies in the UK and Israel often go global

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[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 points 48 minutes ago

“You are a hostile actor if we say you are a hostile actor.”

[-] LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 hour ago

Gee why does the capitalist oligopoly fear communication they can't monitor it's not like they are doing anything wrong and have anything to fear from little old us

[-] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago

Shit-flinging desperation at the realization that they have failed to contain dissent via internet-based coordination. Elbit and the UK's protection of property was defeated by persistent disruption thanks to the work by Palestine Action. Unlike previous forms of communication, the empire has had tremendous difficulty wrestling control away because the materiality of the internet is so dispersed, accessible, and impossible to restrict without dire economic and military consequences.

[-] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 2 points 36 minutes ago

Reminder, rules for thee, but not for me

[-] apftwb@lemmy.world 18 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

HTTPS ❌🇬🇧

HTTP ✅🇬🇧

SSH ❌🇬🇧

rlogin ✅🇬🇧

[-] grapefruittrouble@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 hours ago

If i remember correctly, a few weeks ago a government party had their signal chat leaked. Those people have since ceased using signal right?

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

There's no problem with Signal's encryption. It's the same issue with any and to end encryption scheme, at either end is a person who can very easily copy and paste everything that has been said in the conversation and send it off to anybody they wish.

[-] Gathorall@lemmy.world 3 points 48 minutes ago

Well, yes, generally the recipient of a message has to get access to its content.

[-] grapefruittrouble@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 hour ago

No of course. I meant that if at least one party in the UK gov is using signal, with end to end encryption, they are no longer using it because they are now considered ‘hostile actors’

[-] liking625@lemmy.world 27 points 3 hours ago

thats what happens when we as society become ignorant and inept, and therefore we vote for inept and ignorant people to represent us.

[-] Nyadia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 35 minutes ago

I think this is more malice than it is ineptitude tbh.

[-] Rooster326@programming.dev 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

They are not all inept.

They know exactly what they are doing.

It is a hostile act to create information the state isn't privy to. That is a very deliberate act.

[-] Frigger@feddit.uk 2 points 1 hour ago
[-] Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 hours ago

When has the majority not been ignorant and inept?

Back when societies collective knowledge was like 4 things?

[-] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I mean, they wouldn't be wrong, but they don't know why they aren't wrong.

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 hours ago

So every financial institution and everyone using WhatsApp

[-] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 hours ago

So they're happy for us to read all their messages, right?

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 2 hours ago

How dare you try to hide your communications from us!

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 63 points 6 hours ago

"Innocence proves nothing"

Some 40k shit.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 15 points 4 hours ago

Why do you think the UK is the birthplace of the most famous dystopian fiction?

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 8 points 3 hours ago

Because something like 90% of it's media is just Robert Murdoch's own personal sock puppe.

[-] RadioEthiopiate@lemmy.zip 83 points 7 hours ago

Our governments are hostile. Act accordingly.

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[-] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 28 points 6 hours ago

Oh yeah? I'll train an army of crows to transfer messages in exchange for specific shiny objects.

Seriously though - the constant hypocrisy and attempt to make our lives undeniably worse for their control obsession is either going to force our hand or end with the enslavement of the human race. These people are truly mad.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 52 points 7 hours ago

Paving roads makes it easier for an invading army to get around.

[-] BarticusR@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago

No-one's invading Lincolnshire then.

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 6 points 6 hours ago

This is great.
If you are (or know) a UK citizen, please let them send this with the above context to their representative.

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 points 5 hours ago

Fucking hell...

[-] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 46 points 8 hours ago

A Cypherpunk's Manifesto

By Eric Hughes

Privacy is necessary for an open society in the electronic age. Privacy is not secrecy. A private matter is something one doesn't want the whole world to know, but a secret matter is something one doesn't want anybody to know. Privacy is the power to selectively reveal oneself to the world.

If two parties have some sort of dealings, then each has a memory of their interaction. Each party can speak about their own memory of this; how could anyone prevent it? One could pass laws against it, but the freedom of speech, even more than privacy, is fundamental to an open society; we seek not to restrict any speech at all. If many parties speak together in the same forum, each can speak to all the others and aggregate together knowledge about individuals and other parties. The power of electronic communications has enabled such group speech, and it will not go away merely because we might want it to.

Since we desire privacy, we must ensure that each party to a transaction have knowledge only of that which is directly necessary for that transaction. Since any information can be spoken of, we must ensure that we reveal as little as possible. In most cases personal identity is not salient. When I purchase a magazine at a store and hand cash to the clerk, there is no need to know who I am. When I ask my electronic mail provider to send and receive messages, my provider need not know to whom I am speaking or what I am saying or what others are saying to me; my provider only need know how to get the message there and how much I owe them in fees. When my identity is revealed by the underlying mechanism of the transaction, I have no privacy. I cannot here selectively reveal myself; I must always reveal myself.

Therefore, privacy in an open society requires anonymous transaction systems. Until now, cash has been the primary such system. An anonymous transaction system is not a secret transaction system. An anonymous system empowers individuals to reveal their identity when desired and only when desired; this is the essence of privacy.

Privacy in an open society also requires cryptography. If I say something, I want it heard only by those for whom I intend it. If the content of my speech is available to the world, I have no privacy. To encrypt is to indicate the desire for privacy, and to encrypt with weak cryptography is to indicate not too much desire for privacy. Furthermore, to reveal one's identity with assurance when the default is anonymity requires the cryptographic signature.

We cannot expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant us privacy out of their beneficence. It is to their advantage to speak of us, and we should expect that they will speak. To try to prevent their speech is to fight against the realities of information. Information does not just want to be free, it longs to be free. Information expands to fill the available storage space. Information is Rumor's younger, stronger cousin; Information is fleeter of foot, has more eyes, knows more, and understands less than Rumor.

We must defend our own privacy if we expect to have any. We must come together and create systems which allow anonymous transactions to take place. People have been defending their own privacy for centuries with whispers, darkness, envelopes, closed doors, secret handshakes, and couriers. The technologies of the past did not allow for strong privacy, but electronic technologies do.

We the Cypherpunks are dedicated to building anonymous systems. We are defending our privacy with cryptography, with anonymous mail forwarding systems, with digital signatures, and with electronic money.

Cypherpunks write code. We know that someone has to write software to defend privacy, and since we can't get privacy unless we all do, we're going to write it. We publish our code so that our fellow Cypherpunks may practice and play with it. Our code is free for all to use, worldwide. We don't much care if you don't approve of the software we write. We know that software can't be destroyed and that a widely dispersed system can't be shut down.

Cypherpunks deplore regulations on cryptography, for encryption is fundamentally a private act. The act of encryption, in fact, removes information from the public realm. Even laws against cryptography reach only so far as a nation's border and the arm of its violence. Cryptography will ineluctably spread over the whole globe, and with it the anonymous transactions systems that it makes possible.

For privacy to be widespread it must be part of a social contract. People must come and together deploy these systems for the common good. Privacy only extends so far as the cooperation of one's fellows in society. We the Cypherpunks seek your questions and your concerns and hope we may engage you so that we do not deceive ourselves. We will not, however, be moved out of our course because some may disagree with our goals.

The Cypherpunks are actively engaged in making the networks safer for privacy. Let us proceed together apace.

Onward.

Eric Hughes

9 March 1993

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[-] hamburger@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 6 hours ago

Can you provide a source for this document?

[-] droolio@feddit.uk 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The source can be found here: https://terrorismlegislationreviewer.independent.gov.uk/ (direct link)

It's an independent report by Jonathan Hall KC presented to parliament. I think everyone is under the impression that those highlighted paragraphs are a statement of law, they're not. But they are the guy's (correct) interpretation of existing law - namely, Schedule 3 of the Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Act 2019.

The report itself is a good thing, coz now we know how far the UK government will try to stretch their powers and what we need to repeal when Labour (and the Tories) fucks right off.

As part of his summary:

Some of the powers and offences extend well into the zone of political activity,
journalism, protest and day-to-day human activity. However useful, they must
be tested against misuse and overreach.
[-] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 58 points 9 hours ago

Yes end to end encryption is for hostile actors why don't you send your nuclear launch codes in plain text.

[-] privatepirate@lemmy.zip 33 points 9 hours ago

Rules for thee not for me.

[-] vane@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago

Don't talk without electronic devices around because it might be hostile activity.

[-] Renohren@lemmy.today 18 points 7 hours ago

Setting a factory in France is a hostile activity too?

I guess using Olvid is terrorism.

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 44 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

If I were to send a physical letter written in code that can only be decrypted with a cipher would I now be breaking the law?

What about radio or telephone conversations in code?

Can I still password protect my zip files or encrypt my NAS or PC before boot?

[-] mech@feddit.org 20 points 7 hours ago

According to this legislation, using https is against the law.

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 5 points 6 hours ago

Not as long as UK is the root CA, I suppose.

[-] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 28 points 9 hours ago

Using password protection for files is definitely work of terrorists you should be imprisoned for life. \s

[-] hector@lemmy.today 9 points 7 hours ago

If so we should all start sending cryptic sounding gibberish around the world. Like from random lists send emails to foreigners with some random gibberish like product codes written in that look like encrypted messages, xg0-fs39450, or whatever, just as a form of protest.

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