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[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 130 points 1 month ago

Former situation: there is one electron

New situation: there are two electrons

[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago

This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!

[-] Rokin@leminal.space 19 points 1 month ago
[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

It also works for metaphysics. Reincarnation is real and there's only one soul, just bouncing around through all of time and space in an endless loop.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 month ago
[-] fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vip 7 points 1 month ago

heck yes! been looking for this for like ten years now

thanks for the share

[-] Anivia@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

There is also an animated version by Kurzgesagt

https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

That was a great read. TIL. ✨

[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 79 points 1 month ago
[-] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 76 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Wish granted. Electrons, being a human construct, have now always been defined slightly differently. Just as Franklin got the polarity wrong and you still use his labeling system, J.J. Thompson will now have fundamentally misunderstood the nature of the electron, leading to a cascading assumption by later scientists that the number of electrons in a neutral atom is one greater than the number of protons. Even though this completely breaks the math of quantum mechanics, everyone is just used to subtracting one at this point. This is a minutely worse world, but as a bonus, every physicist who sees you will now be preternaturally certain that you are personally to blame. You're welcome."

[-] Juice@midwest.social 35 points 1 month ago

It is way too common to confuse the abstractions we use to understand reality with reality itself. Like the scientists who work with this stuff are really consistent in keeping the two separated, but the moment a theory gets in the hands of a journalist or god forbid a politician, it starts wreaking havok

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

They're making the electrons gay!

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Never met a gay electron. They're always so damn negative.

[-] AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

It is way too common to confuse the abstractions we use to understand reality with reality itself. Like the scientists who work with this stuff are really consistent in keeping the two separated

I wish this was true. I remember seeing a physicist talking about how the laws of physics are mathematical in nature and that the laws of physics needed to exist before the universe do the universe is made of math. I don't think the vast majority of physicists have a philosophical grounding for the types of ontological claims they make. Even less so since "shut up and calculate" became the professional axiom.

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[-] RiceMunk@sopuli.xyz 58 points 1 month ago

Genie is being lazy and interprets that as: Add one electron to the universe, and attach it to any of the atoms available.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 32 points 1 month ago

That's not Interpretation, that a whole different thing.

[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Add one extra electron to all the atoms in the universe -- adds one electron to all the atoms but not one each for each atom

Edit: typo,typo2

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[-] Midnitte@beehaw.org 13 points 1 month ago

Genie interprets as "every atom now shares this one extra electron"

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[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago

I always liked the idea that the genie rules, when they're presented, are not laws/rules so much as hard physical limits. You can't wish for more wishes because the genie just doesn't have that much power. They're powerful, but they're not God with a capital G. The genie tries to add a electron to every atom in the universe. If fails and collapses with exhaustion before it's even finished adding one extra electron to every atom in your body.

[-] cybervseas@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

You’re always so negative …

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 month ago

Can someone ELI5 what would happen?

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

You know how when you put magnet faces together with the same polarity, they push against each other. If you squeeze them together they will pop away. When an atom has an extra electron, it makes its charge more negative. If all of the atoms have extra electrons, all of their charges will be more negative. Now imagine every single atom in the universe was suddenly the same polarity and began pushing all other atoms away. I'll let your imagination take over from there.

[-] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

For some reason you just explained the probability of the big bang. Some idiot made a wish, and poof, new universe.

[-] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

You've clearly never met a 5-year-old

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Extra electrons make atoms go 'splodey.

[-] yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago

When I was younger, I would often splodey too when thinking about Carmen electron

[-] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Much better!

[-] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago
[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In the example in from that what if, they are putting a universe's worth of mass in the volume of the moon, so it would create a super massive singularity. That's not what is happening in here.

If every atom suddenly gained an electron, they would indeed increase in mass. But a hydrogen atoms would gain the most relative mass as it is the lightest atom, and that would only be an increase of 1/1837th of its total mass now, so... not that much. Masses of heavier atoms and the macro level matter made from them would increase in mass even more marginally. It would be a negligible difference, definitely not be enough for a singularity to form from this increase alone unless a star's core were already riding that edge.

So their original determination would still be correct, that molecules would fly apart (atomized) and explode outward into the vacuum of space. Now, maaaaybe if the explosive force were enough to cause atoms to collide in space and at relativistic speeds, tiny singularities might form. But their combined negative charge would be far more powerful than their gravitational pull, and they would decay almost immediately, so... no crunch.

Grain of salt: I love physics, but I'm not a physicist.

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[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 month ago

Oh, I see. I read it wrong at first. I thought it was saying add one electron total, I didn't realize it meant one to each atom. It makes a lot more sense now.

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[-] ElysianBladeRunner@piefed.social 17 points 1 month ago

Diabolical…..

[-] voodooattack@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

What if it’s one extra neutron? >.>

[-] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago
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[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Or make every living thing deeply aware of each of their atoms at all times

[-] glibg10b@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago

That's impossible. You'd need at least one neuron per atom, but each neuron has many atoms of its own

[-] Flyberius@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago
[-] Scarry@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago
[-] filcuk@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

Can I send this to the person reviewing my PR's

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 month ago

or add more antimatter(3% more) at the beginning of the universe

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