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submitted 2 days ago by obamacares@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I start: I'm mostly left-libertarian

I used to be a "normal" libertarian (aka right-libertarian) but I started to realize corporations are probably just as bad as the government, if not a mirror image.

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[-] AnotherUsername@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

I am a pragmatist. My decisions on issues are entirely based on context. Right now I believe we need government services for necessary things to increase because the free market isn't providing them due to misaligned incentives, and if we don't want to live in a complete shithole world that needs to change. Absolutely nothing is preventing us from living in a complete shithole. There's no higher power out to save us. So we better step up and organize to save ourselves.

[-] Aeri@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Too many labels out there. Ask me my opinion on any issue and I will tell you honestly. I took a quiz once and it said I was a filthy socialist.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

I wouldn't trust quizzes when it comes to political ideology. Quizzes try to take your latent beliefs and force them into categories, but these beliefs may be contradictory. Ideologies (in theory) attempt to proceed from a given baseline, and find correct answers given that baseline. For example, Marxism and its various tendencies all proceed from the acceptance of dialectical materialism, the scientific approach to socialism, and Marxist economics as the basis. A quiz may think someone is a Marxist, even if they don't actually agree with any of those, assuming they have similar policy preferences.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

I'm a Marxist-Leninist! Not really based on "preference," though, but on the overall coherence and practicality of Marxism-Leninism. I agree with the dialectical materialist method, Marxist economics, the Leninist analysis of imperialism and organization, and socialism as a scientific field. I support AES states (Actually Existing Socialism, where public ownwrship is the principal aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state), including the PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, DPRK, Laos, and Venezuela (which is more almost AES IMO but on the right track).

One thing I would suggest is viewing the state not as something outside class struggle, but deeply involved within it. The state under capitalism has a bourgeois class character, it exists to reinforce capitalism and keep the working classes suppressed. Under socialism, however, the state exists to keep the working classes on top, and this is necessary as we gradually collectivize production and distribution to establish communism. This is the Marxist conception of the state, and how we can achieve statelessness realistically by eroding the basis of the state, class struggle.

If you want a place to start with Marxism-Leninism, I made a basic Marxist-Leninist study guide. Feel free to check it out!

[-] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Politics isn't a sport, and the political compass shit is just the sorting hat for (Western) Poli Sci majors.

I am a Marxist-Leninist with a lot left to learn (and read). I was a sort of ultra-left "Marxist" (firmly in compatible left territory) until I started lurking on here and reading comments by Cowbee and other comrades.

[-] obamacares@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago

until I started lurking on here and reading comments by Cowbee and other comrades

oh cool, which "sub-lemmy" was that?

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

"community" or "comm" are the terms in general use

[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Here you go. Cowbee is just a regular user (or maybe rather a legend). Seems that you are moving in the right direction (by which I mean to the left), but I would say that you have far to go still. Good luck!

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hey comrade, just want to mention that I made a new, cleaned up guide and that the one you linked is going to go through a major revision sometime in the future.

[-] darkenergy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

I prefer to talk specifics about issues rather than adopt labels. Labels are often victim of whatever the other person thinks the label means. Once the labels come out, they can be conversation enders.

I still have a lot to learn and at times it's overwhelming. I'm a socialist.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I do think labels are helpful for coming to a coherent understanding. Rejection of labels and focusing only on details can lead us to not notice how these details intersect and interconnect, leading to counterposed beliefs simultaneously held. Some people will reject the convo outright based on label, but these people likely aren't going to be swayed anyways, and are looking for an excuse to end the convo. That's why I just openly state that I'm a Marxist-Leninist, it helps explain my views in a more concrete way than needing each bit to be teased out over the course of a convo.

IRL though I tend to not bring up that I'm an ML unless I am at a protest or event or otherwise trust the person deeply.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

People who start with preconceptions based on labels can still be swayed. It just becomes an uphill battle of figuring out what they think the label means and dispelling those before getting to the meat of the discussion when you can instead just start on the meat.

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago

I think the Earth is hollow and the USSR is hiding there.

[-] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

The USSR is hiding out in Red Shambhala consolidating power to fight the fascists in the hollow earth.

[-] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago

150-or-so years ago, Karl Marx developed a scientific method for understanding socio-economics and translating common political goals towards collective action. Most of the conclusions he came to through this scientific method have borne out in the decades since, a few have not, but the method itself is, I believe, concrete.

As the years went on, additional theoreticians - especially Lenin and Mao - have further developed his theories.

But I think the key is to never be dogmatic - that different times call for different approaches, that sometimes you need forced collectivization, but sometimes you need the New Economic Policy. Sometimes you wage a protracted peasants' war, sometimes you elect Sewer Socialists.

A lot of people can get too caught up in the tendencies and sub-tendencies. I believe that all Marxists should be part of a single Socialist political party where disagreements are handled internally by rigorous debate and elections among Communists.

[-] astraeus@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago

OP if you’re interested in learning more about politics try reading theory I recommend blackshirts and reds by parenti. reddit political compass memes aren’t accurate to reality

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

@dessalines@lemmy.ml provides a free audiobook (YouTube)(torrent) if that's your jam.

[-] redrumBot@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Communism. Mostly Marxism-Leninism with a bit of Infantile Disorder and antilericalism.

[-] Astrius@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

I’m a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist.

I believe Mao contributed greatly to the Marxist-Leninist philosophy and gave the movement great importance and knowledge for modern society.

[-] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

Shrek is Love, Shrek is Life

It's simple, it's easy, it's to the point

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

left-libertarian

Georgist

Bro you do not need to let the capitalists own the means of production. You have nothing to lose but your chains.

[-] obamacares@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Yep, I also believe in georgism, but I don't think that's a political stance, more of a "where should taxes come from"

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

"I want my government to be funded by private enterprise" is absolutely a political stance

[-] obamacares@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah I guess who you tax is indicative of the political stance, is that what you mean? Georgism is about taxing land, so it's kind of in the middle I guess, since everyone uses land, although it should affect the rich more, since the rich will usually own more land

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

"people can own land" is a political stance

Libertarian and Liberal are not the same thing

And there’s nothing normal about Libertarians 😅

Me myself I’m so woke that my liberal neighbours watch under their beds for fear that I will shiv them in the night

[-] obamacares@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

there’s nothing normal about Libertarians

why do you think so?

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 3 points 2 days ago

Because they're right shills who hijacked a political philosophy

[-] obamacares@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

which political philosophy did they hijack?

also what does "right shill" mean?

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago

The libertarian party in the US is basically the GOP by another name (think fascist Spain as it related to Nazi Germany).

Here is the worst example

http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Rand-Paul-412492

"But when someone is said to be shilling for something or someone there is a distinct note of disapproval, and often the implication that the act is somehow corrupt or dishonest, or that the product or person being promoted is not to be trusted."

[-] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Murray Rothbard (who is among the most influential in right wing libertarianism) started using the term "libertarian" to hijack it from Joseph Dejacque https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%C3%A9jacque who was an anarcho-communist

Because all Libertarians experience that have been made turns out to be scams to swindle money out of gullible middle class people.

The fact that hardcore Libertarians tend to be pro-contract slavery, pro weird pedophilia views and against environmental protection.

All in all, Libertarianism is inherently flawed and lead to a kind of facism or contract feudalism. It only reproduces ways of control that it tried/say it want to abolish

[-] florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

𝔣𝔢𝔲𝔡𝔞𝔩 𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔠𝔯𝔞𝔱𝔦𝔠 𝔞𝔲𝔱𝔬𝔠𝔯𝔞𝔠𝔶

[-] greenbelt@lemy.lol 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

middle-ages peasant village sub-reddits (also called lemmy ideology)

[-] Soulphite@reddthat.com 4 points 2 days ago
[-] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

it's great that you are growing and evolving! there's a lot of good reading (both short and long, light and dense) at:

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I don't agree with the lists categorizing socialism as "state capitalism" and trying to force Marxist analysis into an anarchist framework, when the conclusions of Marxism fundamentally point towards one unified system of collectivized production and distribution while anarchism is more about local communalism and horizontalism.

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

anarchism

why ? it's the only thing that's worked long term (150,000 years)

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Historical anarchism isn't the same as modern-day anarchism, though. As production and distribution became more complex, different forms of organization came about to suit the level of the productive forces, giving rise to class society. We cannot use historic hunter-gatherer anarchism as proof of modern-day anarchism working at scale, as the material conditions are entirely different. That is, unless you're talking anarcho-primitivism, in which case I think being able to manufacture things like insulin is necessary.

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