The world has enough "what's your reaction?" content. No need to poll the internet, just make a decision and move on with your life.
This is like saying the world has enough stories, so new stories don't have a place anymore.
Hard disagree.
But it’s scary!
Should take your own advice sometimes? The world has enough comments.
I, however, am all for documenting unfair treatment and putting it out in the open.
but how else am I going to make thousands of people incessantly angry at a strawman if I don't make them think I haven't made it up?
THINK OF THE CLICKS! THE CLIIICKS! (to the tune of "She takes premium, dude")
Did everyone clap, too?
I just don’t believe a boss would commit to writing “your output is higher and better but I like Tad’s vibe better.”
Just begging for a visit from HR.
I've been a union rep for a good few years and honestly you wouldn't believe the shit I've seen managers put in writing. "It is company policy to commit crimes here" levels of brazenly breaking the law, especially for stuff like disability discrimination. I can 100% believe this.
My bosses must be smarter than the most them because they refuse to ever put anything in writing.
I don't believe this but you can absolutely fire someone for vibes.
Your attitude does affect team members. I'd happily fire a high out put team member for being an ass.
Yeah, don't believe this at all. Reads like some dream sequence someone had. Even the dumbest managers wouldn't say something this stupid, they all know this is a trip right to HR.
Consider yourself lucky then.
I have absolutely met managers this dumb. I had a manager quote me in an email reply, with what was quoted in the same email chain and included with the other replies, then forward it (still including all the replies!) claiming that he "rescued" me from a client incident because I didnt reply.
With the reply from me just two emails below.
Yes, there are absolute idiots in management who would 100% reply with this.
I have had managers send me emails telling me to ignore warehouse safety standards set by OSHA, regardless of what the warehouse personnel tell me when I'm there for the day.
Also had managers that recorded themselves breaking company safety rules and post to social media.
I've even had one manager that straight up pointed a gun at me in front of 3 cameras thinking it was a funny joking thing.
Never assume management has a single brain cell, let alone enough to realize when something probably shouldn't be done or said.
Even the dumbest managers
You're overestimating people.
Yeah, this feels like bullshit.
This feels fake. I could be wrong and hope I am.
No manager competent enough to write that well is going to put anything like that down in writing. Totally fake.
Yep. This would never ever be an email. It'll be a in-person meeting.
Why? It leaves a paper trial, and it's written too "smart".
I have broken some HR policies before - real stupid ones (like using the bathroom too much or something ridiculous) and had "the meeting".
But when I ask them to give me a written version of the issues after the meeting, it's always vague and points to line items in the handbook.
It's an AI written justification.
Could still be fake, but there are absolutely people that are this stupid and use chatgpt.
I worked for an IT manager who fired me after I pointed out that he was scammed for buying a 6 pack 1TB flash drives from Amazon for $40.
He wrote an email saying I was a jerk for delegitimizing his authority which I took to HR and was fired the next day "for not being a good culture fit" and was paid to be under a nondisclosure for half a year.
I am like Mulder, I believe the morons are out there.
There's people at Amazon that thought an AI only phone is a good idea
I can see a situation where that makes sense. A colleague who keeps morale up can be at least as important for the team as one who works hard
...on the other hand, it can also be a way for managers to reward their loyal favorites for no particular reason.
I dunno, this makes me happy we have collectively bargained wages at my workplace
Yeah, the manager fucked up by providing too much info and wording it poorly. If it's "you two have different skills and contribute to the team in different ways" that's another story. If Marcus is also making sure the rest of the team feels supported and keeps morale high then that is work too! (As someone who often fills the emotional support human role, on top of regular duties, I'm glad that this could be recognized). Productivity is more than work output, and comparison is the thief of joy.
If the person is upset because they feel their workload is too high, or that they aren't being compensated for their own work, then that's a different convo they should be having.
"You're a mule and we will work you as hard as you let us. Quit if you don't like how we run things."
Do the minimum and go around the office socializing. If they complain, show them the email and tell them you're working on the metrics they care about the most.
Can’t tell if the boss’ reply is AI text or just kool-aid drunk businessman.
My vote is thinly disguised sexism.
Does that even count as a disguise? Either way was pretty dang sexist.
absolutely written by AI. I can even guess the prompt
Work hard to get paid. Once you get paid, dial back that work folks. Dial it right back.
I don't understand the stance in this thread.
I hear so many workplace horror stories about new management coming in and firing low output people without understanding that they contribute positively to morale and increasing everyone else's output. But when that role is acknowledged, it's suddenly time for a lawsuit and finding a new job?
Both situations if incorrectly handled are a problem.
Being good for morale is definitely a good thing. However if that is the main thing someone brings to the table and their work performance is otherwise noticeably lower, then it's on management to manage the person. The other side of it that I have personally seen is that while their work output may be lower, they produce better quality/detailed work as well (but not always, just playing devils advocate).
Being the hard worker producing a lot of output is also generally a good thing, but only if the quality of your work does not suffer and they are not achieving it by overloading/burning out. OK you've done 4x as much work as Bob. But only because half of that was you then having to re-do the work due to errors, missed requirements, etc. Once again, just an example/playing devils advocate as to why more output is not always better.
Just don't work anymore and instead chat cheerfully with your coworkers. Its the same quality work. Bring the vibes xD
Rage bait. Fake and straight.
that reply is all you need, time to start looking for something else
It's been my experience and advice that you should never negotiate your pay by arguing that others get paid more, or equal, or whatever. Same for external factors like inflation, cost of living ect. You can think that internally, and base your target on that, just don't bring it up in negotiations because it's a weak argument and signals that you're chasing parity relative to some external factor.
IMO you should pick a target that genuinely makes you feel is fair to you, and pursue that in your negotiation, arguing that that's what you feel is fair for your experience and time.
I'm in the Netherlands, work culture may differ.
So poorly worded. This company should have a better answer to this question, or not engage with the question at all. Comparing compensation is difficult. It isn't just about how much you do.
Not everybody is a factory line worker where you can simply measure the daily widget output. I've been a manager in high tech companies, and people often wildly misjudge their own ability and how they contribute to a broader structural problem in the company. The work is more than daily widget output and doing what you're told. I also need creativity, pushing back on colleagues, human care, commercial insight, among many aspects of your job. Don't reduce yourself to your output.
Edit: I know this is probably going to get downvoted. I'm just answering the reality of how capitalist companies operate. In a class struggle sense, no company is going to give you the full value of your labor. Switching to another company will not change that, there is always profit for owners to take. Fighting unfairness in the workplace is one thing, but we can't know if this is favoritism, the company being bad at judging value, or the worker bad at judging their value. Calling for more to be given to the workers instead of the owners is always right, but that says nothing about the distribution between workers.
Marcus gives the best bjs
“What is it you’d say you do here?”
“I’m a vibes person! I deal with vibes!”
That sounds like a bit of a jump to conclusions
From https://www.wikihow.com/Quiet-Quit#How-to-Quiet-Quit-Your-Job-.28Without-Getting-Fired.29)
How to Quiet Quit Your Job (Without Getting Fired)
- Step 1 Stop doing any tasks that aren’t in your job description.
- Step 2 Stop showing up early to work and only arrive on time.
- Step 3 Stop staying late in the office and leave on time.
- Step 4 Refuse office communications outside of working hours.
- Step 5 Don’t take work home with you.
- Step 6 Don’t attend non-mandatory meetings or social work functions.
My opinion, only quit if you a) can do those things and b) want to extract value aside from money during the time you spend working.
I only do all of those. I'm not looking to quit, I'm just not going to do work I'm not being compensated for.
If I quit, and the boss man is like "you can't quit, you're fired!" I'd be like "woohoo! unemployment!" which I wasnt gonna get by quitting.
Edit: I missed the quiet part. Still gonna leave this here tho.
Find another job, get a start date, call out first day of new job, if you like new job quit old next morning. They don't deserve any notice. Simple.
That is a quittable offense.
You could read between the lines and realize your attitude affects the team in a negative way.
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