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[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 87 points 6 days ago

It got really frustrating reading through the books, where the recurring implication for Harry's success was that he's just inherently special. He doesn't do that much to prove himself, he's just the one that everyone's supposed to like.

You have a rags to riches story in the first book, where it kicks off this extensive world that fuses a bunch of fantasy tropes together, you have the "evil" faction that is portrayed as chauvinist along ethnic and class lines, you have a philosophical revelation of how one's choices matter more than one's birth, and them it just coasts for the rest of the series on magical curiosities, with Harry excelling and progressing not from doing anything special, but from being special.

[-] thefunkycomitatus@hexbear.net 69 points 6 days ago

The alleged reason is that she wanted to create an aspirational character for her sons while she was struggling with poverty as a waitress in the early 90s. Harry is special because he's mommy's special little boy who finds out mommy was rich all along. Everyone likes him except for the people who are bad. He lives out some predefined trajectory, created by mommy's love, where he doesn't really do anything but exist and be a special little boy. He worries briefly that he may be a bad guy due to being so special and famous but then is reassured by everyone that he can't be a bad guy because he's special and famous. Then he lives happily ever after after not doing anything (except being special) to kill the bad guy. Once the bad guys are gone then nobody dislikes him anymore and his fame can reign unchecked.

At best she was a deeply misguided striver who was trying to turn her kids into the same hollow strivers most "pick me" poors are. At worst she was actually writing a MKULTRA program to create the next great tyrant.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 49 points 6 days ago

At worst she was actually writing a MKULTRA program to create the next great tyrant.

THIS is the kind of take that keeps me logging onto this site. 10/10

[-] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

6/10 needs more bugs black-mold-futures bug-facts dancing-roach

I feel like shit I just want him back

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[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 35 points 6 days ago

The rags to riches story is also thst it just turned out he had a shitload of gold in a wizard bank the whole time.

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago

Yeah, it's less of a "rags to riches" and more of a "Oh, turns out I didn't need to be wearing these rags, I was rich the whole time" sort of story.

[-] Dr_Pepper@hexbear.net 71 points 6 days ago

I'm proud to say I have never read the books or seen any of the movies. And I'm over 40.

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 56 points 6 days ago

You were probably too old for it when it came out. I'm in my 30s, probably right in the cohort that was at the older side of the targeted age as the books were releasing, and felt too old for it pretty quickly.

[-] stink@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 6 days ago

I'm afraid to say that book slapped when I was a kid, but the hype elevated once the movies started coming out.

Imagining a world where Eragon had a good movie, it'd probably change the trajectory of a lot of things

[-] lil_tank@hexbear.net 26 points 6 days ago

Same for me friend, I was really into it as a kid because I was blissfully unaware of everything it really meant. I was fed the slop and I liked it

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 17 points 6 days ago

I was into the first 5, but had super checked out/aged out of them after that. I was like 14 when the 5th one came out. By 6 and 7 I was old enough to realise “oh these actually kinda suck”. Not in a political sense, I just thought the actual books themselves were mid a.f. once I reached my later teens

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[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 20 points 6 days ago

The movies really got the boost from having a John Williams score. Even his work on super mid movies is incredibly memorable.

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[-] Dr_Pepper@hexbear.net 21 points 6 days ago

The first ones came out when I was in middle school. I remember hearing about them a lot. I had some friends that read them. They are still huge Harry Potter dorks.

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago

I think he's like 10 or so in the first book. Since kid's media tends to really work for kids slightly younger than the protagonists, I feel like someone would have had to have been in their later elementary school years (~3rd-5th grade in burgerland) for it to really take hold.

Middle school is kinda pushing it lol.

[-] Dr_Pepper@hexbear.net 21 points 6 days ago

I know several people who are my age or older who have basically only read Harry Potter.

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 24 points 6 days ago

biden-pain I know "read another book" is super cliche at this point, but damn what else can you say to those people

[-] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago

I've posted this before, but it still horrifies me. I know a couple who quit Harry Potter when Rowling publicly went full TERF. Now they exclusively read . . . Harry Potter fan-fiction.

[-] Dr_Pepper@hexbear.net 16 points 6 days ago

I literally talked to this friend a few months ago about reading and he just said he was thinking of reading Harry Potter again. dean-frown

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[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 27 points 6 days ago

The books were mid and you missed nothing, but very few scifi/fantasy series got a complete set of movies at that level of quality, and that's a pretty novel concept even today. So many competing books with arguably superior aspects get canceled after season 2 or end up feeling like filler slop.

Many of us grew up with LotR and HP wondering why there are so few tv shows and movie adaptations of similar quality.

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[-] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 22 points 6 days ago

Same. I disliked the idea of them from day one. I have loudly refused to read them or participate in anything related although there's been plenty of people in my orbit trying to get me to read them or watch the movies.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 64 points 6 days ago

Saving this because with the new Kid Wizard and the Tropes show coming out, there's going to be a lot of people who need their shit checked

[-] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 38 points 6 days ago
[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 30 points 6 days ago

Thank you, thank you

I will be here forever

[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 53 points 6 days ago

For a second shaun had me worried

[-] Yuritopiaposadism@hexbear.net 44 points 6 days ago
[-] red_giant@hexbear.net 45 points 6 days ago

Harry Potter and the I just woke up and me not being the center of the universe was just a bad dream

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 38 points 6 days ago

Harry potter and the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRANS PEOPLE CANT BE ALLOWED OR IVE MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE AND WILL DIE FULL OF REGRET NOOO

[-] AppleMist@feddit.uk 42 points 6 days ago

But Harry was more of a jock, and not really that nerdy.

[-] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 29 points 6 days ago

I never read the books, just saw the movies, by I think JK still wanted him to be perceived as a nerd. He has glasses, he's the teachers pet (well some of the teachers anyway) he gets bullied, he befriends some of the school nerds. It is in tension with the fact he is an extremely rich sports champ who seems pretty popular with everyone outside of the evil house by the end of Goblet of Fire.

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[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago

He had glasses.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 41 points 6 days ago

This has got to be tongue in cheek, right?

[-] fannin@hexbear.net 67 points 6 days ago
[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 48 points 6 days ago

Is he the one that did the awesome and scathing reviews of the books? I recognize that skull pfp

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 43 points 6 days ago
[-] fannin@hexbear.net 33 points 6 days ago

Yeah, the YouTuber Shaun.

[-] Blakey@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago

Ooh yeah he fucking hates HP and especially Rowling, and for all the right reasons.

[-] larrikin99@hexbear.net 30 points 6 days ago

When I think of a die hard Harry Potter fan, what I think is a normie. a vapid tasteless normie who doesn't know anything about the greater science fiction or fantasy genre who's immature desire for wish fulfillment and simplistic characters keeps them from seeking out greater authors. If they ever attempted the works by Ursula K. Le Guin or Terry Pratchett they would have either put aside Rowling, or more likely, quickly loose interest and revert back to simple pleasures.

Of course, this is a completely unrealistic perspective. It is unnecessarily elitist and patronizing. Nonetheless, it's still persistent. So I'd be really interested to hear the perspective of super fans of the series like that actually have a wide-ranging experience with different fantasy genres as a comparison point, what they think of those authors people often hold up as superior to Rowling, and why they find Harry Potter so special.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Real superfans don't read anything else, just write endless (and sometimes better than the og) fanfiction. Harry Potter isn't special, per se, it is just the first vehicle for them to explore their own creativity, with a large enough community that can share in that larger universe.

It is much the same for Tolkien fans, but Tolkien's sins are a bit more forgivable, as he was literally helping generate an entire genre.

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 15 points 6 days ago

The only person I know (mid 30s) who never really outgrew Harry Potter is also probably the most basic "normie" person I know. And the only person I know who could possibly watch this new HBO series.

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[-] plinky@hexbear.net 29 points 6 days ago

welcome back, peter mandelson

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 23 points 6 days ago

tim burton core

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago

Harry Potter was good for the first three books and I still stand by that. They were a simple and enjoyable “who dunnit” type of series with a fantasy twist. Nothing groundbreaking but still fun. I didn’t go in expecting a complex story and it scratched enough of an itch to leave me satisfied.

Then Goblet of Fire came and the series started taking itself too seriously. This is where most of the complaints begin and this is where the lore really got stupid. Had it maintained the original tone of the first three books, Harry Potter would still hold up as a good middle-grade fiction series.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

i find it started really taking itself too seriously by the 5th or 6th book. i can excuse the goblet of fire for trying to appeal to an audience that grew up a little bit since the first three.

i think it could have worked if the writer was more competent as she transitioned it to a YA novel, but then again maybe i shouldn't have reread some of them as an adult and let it stay in nostalgia instead of reading too much into it.

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[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 17 points 6 days ago

My wife, whom I love very much, has one flaw, and that is she still likes Harry Potter even though she knows JKR is a TERF. We're probably going to watch the HBO series.

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 26 points 6 days ago

at least pirate it

also maybe get her to watch shaun's video about harry potter? it's only from the text, none of rowling's side projects or general shittiness.

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