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[-] paulcdb@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

This is how you tell rich people have some serious mental health issue.

Decent people would rather a world where people worked because they enjoy that type of work rather than being forced to do it because they need money to live.

If you removed money, imagine where we'd all be as a society without the toxicity of money, wars and hate! :(

[-] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

If you removed money, imagine where we’d all be as a society

Probably dead or living in the stone age.

There's so many jobs that people don't enjoy but are necessary. Nobody enjoys working in the middle of an australian desert at 40°C in a lithium mine. Nobody enjoys collecting your stinking trash. Nobody enjoys sitting in a store for 8 hours a day, scanning groceries. Nobody enjoys working in a warehouse for 8 hours.

However, these jobs and many more are vital for todays society.

toxicity of money, wars and hate!

You make it sound like wealth and wars are an invention of capitalism and not something that has existed basically since the dawn of time, even as something you can observe in primates, albeit on a much smaller scale.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The reasons those jobs are such shit is also money. A lot of people enjoy cleaning, nobody enjoys being overworked. Normal functioning societies don't leave heaps of stinking trash around, they neatly pack it and the work of a janitor of garbage collector becomes actually enjoyable if you're a proper type of personality.
Hell, my uncle right now works as a part time street sweeper basically for free. He has his basic needs met by other means, and his "job" pays him enough to get a cup of coffee before the shift and a sandwich after. He just enjoys making the world cleaner, chatting with locals, taking care of stray cats, and having a routine. All of that is possible in a world that doesn't revolves around squeesing every bit of labour from people so some pedos can buy themselves another island and fill it with sex slaves

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[-] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

Society would collapse.
While working out of enjoyment instead of necessity is a noble and good goal. There are jobs that no one enjoys. Money can be used as an incentive to motivate people to work on jobs that aren't that enjoyable, but still necessary.

[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Indigenous peoples figured this shit out before centralized governments and computers, I'm sure we can think of something.

[-] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

But those were significantly smaller groups of people with significantly worse quality of life.
In addition the ones that got bigger naturally evolved centralized governing structures. Even before that all the groups had leaders or some group(elders) making decisions that can effect the whole group.

Cleaning a outhouse after 50 people from time to time, isn't that big of an issue and can be done just for the good of the whole group. It can be easily done in rotation or a group just gets together in an afternoon and digs a new one.

Doing the same after 100 000 up to 1 000 000+ people is in orders of magnitude more difficult and time consuming.

Same applies to any governing structure. Even the idea OP brought up needs a governing body of some sort to allocate resources and work plans.

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[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

It's one of those "every accusation is a confession". People are thinking about themselves when talking about others.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I would gladly fix and assemble home appliances as hobby if I didn't have to worry about money.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I would do basically any job that needed doing if my needs were provided for no matter what.

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[-] jeniferariza@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Turns out passion, curiosity, and purpose are way stronger motivators than profit ever was 😅

[-] percent@infosec.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago

It depends on the person. I've known people who are much more motivated by money. Some of them ended up in prison, some are doing quite well, and some are still trying.

Honestly, I sometimes wish I were more money-motivated. I'm very lucky that my passion happens to earn a good salary (for now), but I gave up my business for it.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Everything depends on the person. Hitler could have been a great artist if he wasn't a genocidal maniac. 🤣

[-] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

And Trump could have been great… well, ~person~ if he wasn’t, eh… Trump. 🤷🏻

[-] menas@lemmy.wtf 5 points 2 weeks ago

"Without the fear of poverty, no one would be submissive "

[-] Jay101@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Even more powerful examples, despite threat of persecution at the hands of Oligarchs and the state instruments these persist: Sci-hub, Library genesis

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They lock essential things (e.g. food, water, shelter, medical services, etc.) behind a paywall because they know it is not true that people do not always---or even usually---want money.

But people do need essentials to live, and if they're the only ones who can give you money to get those, then they can order you to do what they want instead.

[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Capitalism and so called meritocracy have brainwashed humanity.

[-] Jay101@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Meritocracy is a lie when almost every who wields wealth or power is a white old man. It's like they have special quota for white men.

[-] homes@piefed.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

All of these people have motives… Their motives simply aren’t money

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[-] bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Imagine an Internet where services are provided to make our lives better, not just to turn a profit.

Imagine a world where automation didn't take away our livelihood, but helped us to spend more time doing what we wanted to do.

Imagine a world where food, water, shelter, education and healthcare was available to everyone, not paywalled.

This world is possible. We can get there. If heaven exists, we must create it here on earth.

Organize, protest and elect. Emphasis on organize and protest.

Get as involved as you can with activist efforts locally.
Organize, network, focus on building solidarity. Join or form a union. Join the IWW.
Vote at primaries and elections for the best candidate, even if you doubt they can win.
Don't punch down.
Don't punch left.
Educate yourself, politically.
Push for voting reform and for anything that breaks the two-party system

How does capitalism inevitably lead to fascism?

we need to abolish capitalism - capitalism inevitably leads to fascism

Basically, the issue with capitalism is that the more wealth you have, the easier it is for you to make more money. And since money can be used to buy goods, services and influence, there is always a way to use money to gain more political and social power. With that political and social power, you can push society and the legal system in the direction you want to go. So you can use your wealth to gain power, and then you can use your power to change laws and society so that you can make even more wealth and power. It’s a positive feedback loop.

Obviously, though, if the billionaires and ruling class are accumulating more and more of our society’s wealth, that inevitably means that there’s less for everyone else to go around - therefore, working class people feel poorer and poorer. Meanwhile, the economy is going absolutely great for rich people, so inflation continues to go up - everything gets more expensive, but wages don’t increase. The wealthy just keep more and more of the wealth for themselves. To accumulate more and more wealth, they change the laws so that they can avoid paying taxes, so public services collapse. Politicians are lobbied to ensure that public funds are diverted away from where it is most needed - housing, healthcare, transportation, infrastructure - and instead into industries where their class interests most benefit from it, such as weapons manufacturing and extractive industries such as fossil fuels and mining.

The working class are bound to notice that their lives are getting shittier and shittier, and if that situation is left unchecked, the working class would realize that the ruling class are fucking them over, rise up, and overthrow their rulers. Obviously, the ruling class need to do something about this, but there’s no solution that the ruling class can offer. They’re causing all of the problems, to fix them they’d have to give up some of their wealth and power - and that’s not something they’re going to do. So they need to find someone else to blame the problems we have in society on. Unfortunately, though, no matter who they blame the problems on, and no matter what they do to “fix” it, the issue will continue to persist, because the material conditions underlying the issues are, very intentionally, never addressed.

So, the conundrum returns: The ruling class said that minority A caused all of the problems, minority A is persecuted and oppressed, but society doesn’t actually get any better. Either the problem wasn’t minority A, or minority A just hasn’t been oppressed enough yet. So the ruling class can either escalate the oppression, or they can shift the focus to another minority group. The division continues to escalate in terms of how vitriolic and extreme it is, and it also continues to divide the working class into smaller and smaller groups.

To get the working class to buy into this hateful message, they need to take advantage of our worst instincts, and one of those instincts is the in-group bias. The majority are manipulated into being suspicious, then intolerant, then hateful, then violent, then genocidal, towards whatever the targeted minority of the day is. Anything that can be used to divide the working class - sexuality, nationality, immigration status, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender identity, age, all of these will be used as wedges to keep the working class split apart and not working together, because they know that if the working class actually unite against them, they are completely and truly fucked.

That’s exactly how fascism manifests. It’s because it’s possible for people to accumulate power through wealth. This is why capitalism must be abolished. If we do not abolish capitalism, fascism will always return. It’s just a matter of time.

[-] G3NI5Y5@europe.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The fantasy-story of profit motive: Without capitalism, people are just lazy, unproductive and die eventually. But with capitalism, there is great innovation, motivation and excitement.

Cool story, but absolute nonsense.
It's a few bad players that are extremely greedy who ruin the whole game for everyone else. Most people don't want to be that rich, they just want to live without starving to death, being healthy and have a roof over their head.

[-] oppy1984@lemdro.id 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yep, years ago there was a massive jackpot for mega millions or Powerball, I can't remember. I was hanging out with a buddy and we got to talking about what we'd do if we won. Of course we joked about all the stupid things we'd do, but after that night the thought stayed with me and I've put a lot of thought into it.

After years of thinking about it I realized that when I take vacation from work, I stay home but I work on projects I care about. Homelab, open source, animal welfare, ect. I have severe ADHD and can't stand just laying around, so I know I wouldn't stop working, I'd just stop working to live.

I even spent one weekend researching and developing a plan for if I actually won and put it all in a folder so I can just open the doc and see my plan, then take that an the spreadsheets to the lawyers, asset manager, and CPA, and protect myself and the money. Definitely not a obsessive ADHD weekend.....lol.

As it stands right now I'd take $5 million and live off dividends, each parent gets $5 million, and anything left over goes into a nonprofit foundation I would set up to fund all the open source and nonprofit projects I care about.

When people ask me why I waste money on the lottery, I just say I don't want the money to be rich, I want the money to be free. Also I only spend $12 a week to play, the only time I buy extra tickets is if I win a few bucks on a ticket, then I just cash it in for some extra draws.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Volunteer firefighters do actually still get paid a lot of the time.

Source: Was volunteer firefighter. Was paid per-call.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Same, 6 years from 2005-2011, $7.50 an hour for a call was great money in 2005. I think we were up to $10 by the time I quit

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I was thinking that was shit money, but I was making $2.13 as a waiter in 1999-2000, so that's about right. I made $5.15 for awhile then min wage was finally raised to $7.25, where it's been for almost 20 years.

[-] kungen@feddit.nu 1 points 2 weeks ago

Isn't it just a small stipend? Nothing you could live on, even if houses were burning down 40 hours a week.

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[-] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

I apologize for my ignorance but what is productive about Minecraft players?

[-] bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think The Uncensored Library project is pretty cool.

Created by the organization Reporters without Borders and the Minecraft design collective BlockWorks, this blocky book bastion was first introduced in 2020 to provide silenced authors a platform in their own respective countries. While social media and other platforms tend to be either blocked or controlled in these countries, Minecraft often remains accessible, giving Reporters without Borders a way to circumvent the censorship and make information accessible.

The library itself is accessed through a Minecraft server but can also be downloaded locally from their website. It consists of around 300 books distributed between twelve wings, most of them represented by a country where information may be limited. From here, visitors can explore the library and read banned articles in the form of Minecraft books.

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[-] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 3 points 2 weeks ago

They reproduced a library in n a Minecraft world to allow people around the world yo reach Anna archive. They reproduced town, they created a full open work Pokémon inspired mod. They are creative in général.

[-] Bysmuth@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

As depicted in the op, they make artistic sculptures/scenery that amaze people.

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[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

The entire fucking internet they use to spread their propaganda runs chiefly on FOSS

[-] Wander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

This is not everyone. These people are great but rare.

If there was a world full of people like this, life would be different but it isn't. Most people suck.

Now in a time when there was homogeneous society and there was about 150 people you interacted people could be kept a lot more in check. But today no way.

Just today for example I called some guy scum and threw a plastic bag in his face because he took his dog to the beach and wouldn't pick up his shit. I highly doubt that guy would do 40 hours of work for someone else if he didn't have to. I had actually talked to him before that and he seemed positively pleasant.

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[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe the problem in our society is the people who are only motivated by profit.

[-] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm convinced people who believe that are some of the biggest shit stains on the planet.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Shitposters:

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