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Why NFC on phones? (sh.itjust.works)

Sometimes on phone reviews I read that a certain model, often one released in a Western market, uses NFC for payment. In my country, mobile payments use QR codes so any phone with a camera can use them. Does NFC have any advantage over such a system?

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[-] dan@upvote.au 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Australia has been using tap to pay for around 15 years now, whereas QR codes weren't in widespread use in the country until COVID. There's no reason to switch from NFC to QR given practically every bank's app natively supports NFC payments now (no need to use a third-party wallet if you don't want to)

The US is a different story... It took a looooong time for NFC payments to be adopted. I'm an Aussie living in the USA, and some of the US banks I use didn't support contactless payments until a few years ago!

[-] catdog@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 hours ago

TIL not every country uses NFC for contactless payments.

FYI, metadata of any of those payments are routed through Apple or Google systems. Use a physical card (with or without NFC) instead if you don't want this.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

The backend is a government system called NPCI. The frontend can be any app that follows the standards laid down by NPCI. This includes Google Pay, Walmart's Phonepay, SoftBank's PayTM and NPCI's own BHIM. Many banks also have their own apps, but most of these are BHIM reskins.

[-] catdog@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

In theory, yes.

In practice, most if not all banks in The Netherlands killed their NFC payment module and suggest the use of Apple/Google services instead. I assume this is the same for most smaller countries and banks.

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 13 points 3 hours ago

The short answer is, NFC only provides a brief packet of data - the details you would see on a physical card then the vendor's machine takes the money from the customers bank account. Payment with a QR code requires your phone to actually interact with your bank and transfer the money from your account.

The reason why one is more common than another in different locations is historic.

In western countries you've been able to pay by card at most retailers for several decades. Originally there was a magnetic strip on the card, then a chip on the card, then the card did NFC. That being the case phones could just emulate cards by doing NFC and you could pay for things with your phone. Vendors didn't need to do or change anything.

In South East Asia (and elsewhere?) that's not really the case with many smaller street vendors requiring cash payment until recently. Many people might have cards but they were really only used for identifying yourself at the bank or cash machine. Even in larger cities, smaller food vendors often required cash payment - at least up until covid. That being the case there was never an era where people carried and used bank cards, so QR codes are the alternative tech.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

That makes sense. I'm in India, and I think most of Asia (except Japan) uses QR.

[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The difference is, phone companies and card providers between them can more easily lock down and restrict who has access to NFC compatible apps. There are no rogue payment apps popping up to challenge the status quo.

So they see more use in richer countries

[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 10 points 3 hours ago

Do the QR codes work without internet? The NFC payment schemes do.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

It can work without internet only for amounts below 2000 rupees, and only if you've enabled that option.

[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago)

How does the phone confirm the payment without a network? With NFC the phone has a low bandwidth connection to the payment terminal that's enough to sign the transaction.

EDIT: I found it. It uses special phone codes that still use the mobile network to do the payment. If I understand correctly it would still not work in places where there's no reception, like some large buildings or air planes.

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[-] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 16 points 3 hours ago

It's faster than a transaction via QR code. Also, the chip isn't just restricted to handling payments. It can be used as key fob for your car or on your smart lock at home or at the hotel you're staying at.

[-] dan@upvote.au 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

My car uses UWB (BMW Digital Key Plus) to automatically unlock when I'm walking towards it, once I'm pretty close. Maybe 1 meter (3 feet) from the car, in any direction. It has NFC as a fallback too - if the UWB thing fails for some reason, I can tap the phone to the door to unlock it too.

[-] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 hours ago

We have a mixed system here, as contactless pay with cards and the local solution using QR Codes came at a similar time, but local banks did block apple pay and other phone solutions (you had to order a credit card from services like boon to use apple pay). Small events or business like shops on farms have just the QRcode, no terminal.

Later, banks allowed apple pay directly and the terminals got an update to show QRcodes. And the local solution allows bank to bank payments in seconds without fees.

These facts and the case that internet connection is pretty good anywhere here, has let, that most people have the local solution and at least a NFC debit card. And since debit cards now can be added to apple pay, many have this too.

Sadly I know no statistics how well the local solution can hold against the nfc payments

What I know is, that nearly zero people pay with cash anymore

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Interesting. But why would people get a card if you already have the QR system? Isn't it more expensive?

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 4 hours ago

Is faster to tap the phone than to use read a qr.

[-] Pleaseendmypain@lemmy.org 3 points 4 hours ago

I know Apple Pay does tend to be more secure than just a card. It gives them a token as opposed to just your card number. So that is one argument. It's actually quite secure.

[-] i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 1 points 46 minutes ago

I'm not sure if it works the same way, but Google Wallet uses a virtual card number as well as needing the phone unlocked. There a layer of obfuscation over using a contactless card, that I like.

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