At a certain age, people stop working. And at an even more advanced age, people stop driving. It obviously shows that even the sharpest of minds age. So why the hell are people allowed to work until they literally expire. We need age limits for the government. I'm sick of old people so far removed from today's culture making rules based on Jim Crow era guidelines. Our last two presidents have been barely functional, dementia-riddled puppets AT BEST.
I was confused, because Obama wasn't dementia riddled.....then I remembered Biden existed.
Thats how forgetable his term was.
With the notable exception of Obama, every US President since 1993 has been born in the 1940s. Thats over 3 decades with presidents born at almost the same time (most in the same year).
Yeah, but Clinton took office 30+ years ago. Bush took office 25+ years ago.
I get that they're old today, but that would be like 20 years from now saying Obama is too old to be president. Which 20 years from now WOULD be true, except that his term was 2009-2017.
Biden and trump? Yeah, I fully get why they're too old.
Yeah, but Clinton took office 30+ years ago
And is a little over a month YOUNGER than the dementia riddled fascist currently infesting the office.
Nobody here thinks the dementia riddled fascist should have been president at any age.
And nobody thinks Clinton should be president at this age.
When old guys get that "Mouth Open, Catching Flies Resting Face," it's time to stop working, and start fishing.
Boomers will never let go of power
@Lost_My_Mind You're so extremely clever.
What is this? Bots' first sarcasm? What perceived cleverness are you responding to?
@ScientifficDoggo None. That's the point. It's called 'sarcasm'. It's a human concept.
So, to be clear, you just chose to be a sarcastic ass for absolutely no reason? Do you just @ people to take Ls? Is this some sort of online masochism or are you genuinely this unfunny?
He's some kind of edge lord troll. Check out his other comments in this post.
I just want to caution against us developing the stereotype that people’s capabilities slowly fade to zero, at which moment they die. That’s not always how it goes. People can die suddenly at any age, but the odds go up as you get older. You can die at 80 but still be productive when it happens. Your productivity can also go to zero years before you actually expire.
We have an elderly problem in US governance, but let’s not address it with a bunch of stereotypes about the elderly.
I hope I die before I get old.
I don't mind if I live to 120, but when I get to that stage where I need other people to do more for me than I can do for myself... it's time to quit before I get farther behind.
Same. I want to enjoy life, not exist for existence's sake. Two days ago, the household's cat was clearly dying...barely cognizant, and what there was, is clearly miserable. Euthanasia was sweet release from the barfing, hunger, and exhaustion.
I want the ability to choose when I leave, to do so with peace, and with a plan for everybody involved.
Maybe they should stop platforming these geriatric fucks and make space for the next generation then.
Almost anyone can run for office, including you. Why don't you?
Because most people aren't millionaires
Almost anyone [with the funding] can run for office
FTFY. I'm not independently wealthy and can't afford to quit my job and campaign for office, even locally. Nor am I interested in selling myself out to corporate interests to get the funding I would need.
It's easy to be holier-than-thou behind a keyboard, though. Why don't you run for office?
Edit: lmao, the keyboard warrior seems to have blocked me
Almost anyone can run for office, including you. Why don't you?
as Timothy Snyder pointed out there's any number of good leaders out there amongst us but they have no access to the massive $ needed
He touches on this in this talk, saying many Democrats just expect some natural born leader to rise and problem solved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEaf1kgPCbY
He used Hungary's Magyars win to highlight the problem. He started campaigning 2 years before the election, going around to every rural village and town. Who can do that, take that much time off work, drum up that much support and $ ?
Cool give me 300000 dollars and I'll be the next representative
C'mon team, if you're like 72, get the heck out of there and let new people try.
Committee assignments are granted by seniority, so it's advantageous to have legislators with a lot of seniority.
In the Senate, West Virginia had Robert Byrd for basically forever
he was the longest-serving senator in American history, died in office
and so he got to lead the Appropriations Committee, which gets to direct money places, which is a pretty desirable spot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
Robert Carlyle Byrd (born Cornelius Calvin Sale Jr.; November 20, 1917 – June 28, 2010) was an American politician who served as a United States senator from West Virginia for over 51 years, from 1959 until his death in 2010. A Democrat, Byrd also served as a U.S. representative for six years, from 1953 until 1959. He remains the longest-serving U.S. senator in history; he was the longest-serving member in the history of the United States Congress[1][2][3][4] until surpassed by Representative John Dingell of Michigan.
Byrd became West Virginia’s Senior Senator in 1985 following the retirement of Jennings Randolph. He served three different tenures as chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Appropriations, which enabled Byrd to steer a great deal of federal money toward projects in West Virginia.[9] Critics derided his efforts as pork barrel spending,[10] while Byrd argued that the many federal projects he worked to bring to West Virginia represented progress for the people of his state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seniority_in_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives
Committee leadership in the House is often associated with seniority, especially in the Democratic Caucus. The Republican leadership, in comparison with the Democratic Party, prioritizes voting records and campaign fundraising over seniority for committee leadership.[2] Party leadership in the House is not strictly associated with seniority.
The more senior a representative is, the more likely the representative is to receive desirable committee assignments or leadership posts.
Committee assignments are granted by seniority, so
that needs to change. Maybe cap the senority advantage at 10 years, or 5? Draw god-damned straws before giving the gavel to the most senile.
Lower.
Yeah like 64 is an age when you still have some umph and you're not totally old.
You're telling me I'll still have some umph when I'm 64 - that you'll still need me, that you'll still feed me?
Hard to believe from here in the run-up to it, seems like I'm picking up speed on the back side of the hill...
My dad was Just fine until his 70's.
My dad is pushing 80 and still doing o.k. - not super great, but I hope to be doing as well when I get there.
My mom's dad was on all kinds of blood pressure meds, and they mentally aged him prematurely - after a decade of the slowly gathering fog they changed up the meds and it was literally like they reset his mind to what it was 10 years earlier.
That might be true, but as someone less than half that age I sure as fuck do not want a 64 year old representing me in Congress.
64 is basically ceiling in my opinion. Like my Dad was pretty good at that age and was still planning all sorts of stuff. But I agree, the future is for the young so the government should be younger. Probably a retiree representative should exist to represent old people for a couple of years at a time, but the rest of the government should be young capable people.
I wrote this 3 years ago, just as true today as then:
https://old.reddit.com/r/DownWithIncumbency/comments/uxgcrp/we_should_not_serve_the_dead/
U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein was born in 1933, assumed her office in 1992, and still serves today at the age of 88. Thank you for your service Dianne, but don't you think it's past time to groom a younger protege to take your place?
The laws shaped and passed by our statesmen, elder and otherwise, will control how people live for decades to come. Not only should they be of sound mind when crafting and considering these laws, they should also have a bit of skin in the game: live with the results of their decisions for at least some time.
U.S. Presidents must be at least 35 years of age. I propose that, ideally, they should also not be much over 70 years of age while serving. To gently shape our current system toward this ideal, we might modify election laws to deduct age points from candidates who will be over this age threshold while serving. For instance:
For every year in which the candidate would be over the age threshold while serving their term, one electoral point is deducted from their total for each year of age they will be over the threshold.
If the ultimate age threshold is 70, and a presidential candidate will be 66 years of age or younger when sworn in for a four year term, then that candidate will receive all electoral points the same as they do today. But, if they are 67, and their elected term runs at least 6 months past their 70th birthday, then one electoral point is deducted from their total when deciding the election outcome for that period of "age over threshold" during their term. If they are 68, then there would be one point deducted for the third year of their term and two points deducted for the fourth, a total of 3 points off. If they would be 80 when assuming office then that would be 10+11+12+13=46 electoral points deducted, making victory difficult, but not impossible.
If an older candidate truly is the better choice and will win by such a wide margin, then let the people choose them to continue to serve. But their advantages need to be clear over a younger candidate.
To avoid disruption to the current system and fields of candidates, the age threshold could be "soft started" at 90 and reduced by one year per year until it reaches 70. So, if this system of old age disadvantage were started in the year 2025, it would not reach its final age of 70 until 2045.
Senators and members of the House of Representatives could face similar age disadvantages, granting 0.25% of the popular vote per year of age that would be served over the threshold age. If an 88 year old senator runs for re-election against an age threshold of 70, they would be granting their opponent an (18+19+20+21+22+23)*0.25 = 30.75% advantage in the election, in other words they would need to win more than 80.75% of the popular vote in order to be elected against a candidate 64 years of age or younger.
We've got the wisdom of the elders in the Supreme Court, keep the new laws relevant to the people who they will be impacting.
DNC treated David Hogg like shit after he was elected to the DNC on the getting rid of geriatric incumbents. He's working outside of them now because he realizes it's rotten.
Most of the Old guard Democrats need to go. They've been running the same playbook for years and it's simply not working. Voters are no longer interested in performant bills with no chance of passing and politicians that break even modest campaign promises. The population is ready for real change, to be done with the status quo.
Look at my home state of Connecticut as an example. Electricity here is among the most expensive in the nation. Our state is solidly blue, but the Democrats do very little to regulate the electrical monopoly and yet every election they trot out the same nonsense about programs that help poor people afford heat. Well guess what guys, the rest of us are suffering too. You don't have to be below the poverty line and qualify for assistance to be hurting.
It's the same crap nationally. We pay a lot in taxes, much of it is wasted we're blown away on pork, and there is no meaningful change.
DNC needs to scrap the old playbook focus on issues that everybody can get behind, not just the base. Abandon wedge issues like gun control which only piss off rural moderates, stop making trans equality the hill to die on, and instead focus on things everybody wants like getting corruption out of Washington, efficient use of government funds, reducing waste, and protecting consumers from the worst offenders like big banks.
Rein in private equity a little, get big investors out of the single family housing market, make home ownership affordable. That's the sort of thing that gets you votes.
We need an age cap on politicians. I’m sick of these old fucks screwing everything up and dying in a cushy job.
Get the fuck out and let new young people who haven’t had their soul destroyed yet do something.
What's been keeping them in office the last couple decades was a corrupt DNC that would blackball individuals/companies that worked to challenge incumbents, even going so far to bankrupt whole state parties to punish reps who didn't toe the party line
That's over, it's been over. Current DNC has been dumping that money that was hoarded back to state parties, so they can't use it as a club later.
And Martin ran Minnesota for a decade, he's never endorsed a candidate before the primary, never put fingers on the scales, and the result was the state going from purple to progressive insanely quickly.
Some state parties are still shitty, but these coming elections are the best chance we've had since the 90s to get new blood in.
No matter what happens, we need to get people to vote in upcoming Dem primaries
Primaries don’t mean shit when the DNC puts their thumbs on the scale to make sure candidates like Bernie lose the nomination. The problem is at least in part the DNC itself
This person regularly claims that Ken Martin’s leadership position heralds the end of that era. There’s nuance here and I don’t think we actually have clarity yet.
For example, the DNC very recently voted against banning AIPAC money in their primary elections. To be fair, they opted instead for a broad resolution condemning dark money…but that doesn’t actually prevent AIPAC from flooding primary elections with cash to tip the scales. It also doesn’t necessarily prevent dark money contributions either.
So, to me this signals nothing has changed at all. Typical weak sauce Dems, trying to get away with saying the bare minimum and actually doing nothing. I’m cynical of the party’s ability to do anything other than play identity politics pattycakes while serving the rich and Israel, and expect the same old tricks to either ratfuck or completely cancel primaries in favor of anointed reps who work for Israel above America. Consider the fact that they’re already applying massive pressure to prevent anyone from attempting to primary Schumer, one of the worst offenders of this type of treason and frankly looking quite likely to die in office as well.
Time will tell, but don’t get too optimistic…
Still waiting anything to happen that will prove it's changed with him as chair. What's sad is givesomefucks also cheers on anything the dnc does as an example of it changing.

The DNC endorsed replacement be like…
Remember when Democrats aka BlueMAGA said asking Ginsberg to retire in her 80s so Obama could fill the vacancy was anti-feminist? Same thing.
Does not help that election day is on a workday, so only the retired olds have the free time to easily vote.
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