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[-] OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The uneducated don't ask questions or suspect they're being taken advantage of. This is by design.

[-] osanna@lemmy.vg 11 points 3 weeks ago

I'm dumb and poorly educated, but i still don't like dumpy mcshitpants.

[-] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Skill issue, not dumb enough

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[-] bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 35 points 3 weeks ago

Fun fact on why Missisipi, of all the places, improved: they introduced a law that a child cannot be promoted to next year if they do not pass reading proficiency test.

Who knew the shame of repeating a year can be motivator enough for kids and parents.

[-] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

it’s more than that: they’ve been hiring literacy coaches to sit in on and improve literacy classes across the state and rating schools while double-counting the performance of the bottom 25%. plus lots of testing

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/10/podcasts/the-daily/mississippi-schools-test-scores.html

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[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago
[-] homes@piefed.world 16 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] mellibird@feddit.online 11 points 3 weeks ago

Something I've also noticed lately. Basic fucking math. I more often than not pay in cash, and recently I've had more than one person at more than one place give me incorrect change. And just not like a few cents, but dollars amount wrong. And when I try correcting them they're so adamant they're right even when I'm like... dude, you owe me 50 cents, not 3 dollars.

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[-] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Soon in the red states, it will be a badge of honor to be illiterate. Tr*mp loves the poorly educated bigly.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago

I wish I could remember the quote instead of my shitty paraphrase "These people act like education is a trap they avoided, instead of something they failed"

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[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 10 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like thats not all the states?

[-] eli@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I count 38 states. Looks like South Carolina and North Dakota is missing at least.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 3 weeks ago

yeah kinda wierd it has a spot for dc. so its like are these the worst or the best or what.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

The GOP welcomes their future voters. The dumber they are, the better for Republican votes.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Some heavily blue states plummeting too here.

[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Screens. Its screens. Dont give them a device. Give them a book and have the teacher teach them how to read. Slow them down and remove distractions.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I love mobile tech. I've been using it for years, I've advocated for its use, recommended it to others, helped many set it up. And as much as I really HATE to say it, I was wrong.

To be fair- the problem isn't the tech, the problem is the applications- social media 'scrolling' apps and short form video to be specific. But these days those apps are basically impossible to separate from phones and iPads.

And when the asshole algorithm based attention seekers (Meta, TikTok, Google, etc) came around, I and those like me had given them all a direct mainline IV into peoples eyeballs. We had good intentions- we never wanted mobile tech to become this. We never saw it coming. But we should have.

Unfortunately @Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world, at this point I think your answer is the only one we've got left. I've seen what passes for 'kid friendly' on an iPad- bright colors, happy music, think CocoMelon in an app. Or worse, short form videos- we let our kids spend 6 hours a day watching 30 second videos, and then wonder why they can't focus in class for more than 45 seconds. Yeah there's no porn, but it might as well be digital crack cocaine for the brain.

So yeah, at this point I think for our own good we need to roll this back like a failed update. Go back to dead-tree books and textbooks, or at the very least, downgrade to E-Ink or monochrome LCD so the screen is less engaging than the real world, not more.

Finally, and most importantly, we need to re-evaluate our relationship with boredom. Boredom sucks, but it also leads to inspiration and creativity. Scrolling apps essentially eliminate boredom, because however much time you have to kill, there's always more content to fill it. And I think that's a bad thing- we need a little boredom.

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[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I suspect a big reason for this can be blamed on the US no longer teaching kids to read with the phonics method (learning how yo sound out words by individual letters), and instead have been teaching a method to figure out what a word means with context clues, but many kids cannot sound out an unfamiliar word since they weren't taught the phonics method.

Only now are states beginning to reverse that in an attempt to reverse reduced literacy rates, which will take some time to have a noticeable effect.

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 6 points 3 weeks ago

In a 2019 interview, Goodman responded to criticisms of three cueing, saying that "word recognition is a preoccupation" and emphasizing that he places greater value on making sense of language as a whole than understanding specific words. In response to the example of children failing to distinguish between "pony" and "horse", Goodman argued that it was irrelevant whether children understood the specific word, as "pony" and "horse" are similar concepts, and a reader failing to distinguish between them would still understand the meaning of the story as a whole.

Absolute nightmare

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago

He’s literally describing what people with functional illiteracy do to work around being unable to read at a working level. He’s describing it as an acceptable goal. Batshit crazy.

[-] THB@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

That's some ponyshit reasoning.

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[-] CombatWombat@feddit.online 7 points 3 weeks ago

Sometimes I wonder if we should have a “learn to read” community where we post an article or short stories or excerpts of longer works with some comprehension questions and discuss in the comments. Where discussing what you think about a headline or article is forbidden and only discussion about what it actually says is allowed.

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 6 points 3 weeks ago

Some sort of online community for people to practice reading, especially critically so they practice skills like recognizing subtext, irony, themes, etc, could probably be cool

Unfortunately, the people on a text based platform like Lemmy probably have better than average reading skills. The people who need more help probably stick to video.

Also there's a surprising amount of anti-intellectualism, sometimes, where people say things like "it's just a story it doesn't have any deeper meaning!". Fundamental misunderstanding of how meaning works. (You don't find the correct answer. You make up an answer and justify it with the text.)

[-] techt@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Just speaking for myself, but even though I don't "need" help I still feel my literacy becoming more siloed and my patience for reading reducing over time, so a community for collaborative/social reading would be motivating for me. Plus I have friends and family who could use the same encouragement or examples of what to read, so I'd participate for the inspo.

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[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 6 points 3 weeks ago

I wonder if it is scored the same now as it was in 2015. That is because a lot of state exams where I studied are scored by percentile, so that the same result would get different scores in different years

[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"Video is the future. If it's not on youtube, people don't care."

Reaping what the internet has been sowing for the past decade.

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[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Besides flaws in supposed more modern methods of teaching (personally I fucking hate rote memorization, it is boring), too many distractions aka entertainment options more than ever. Especially on mobile devices.

And then you have the looming gap between the haves and the have-nots, and the have-nots are being taken advantage of by not opposing the system that's oppressing them, such as deliberately making them unlearned.

Only fanatical bookworms do visit book fairs and defend public libraries from being dismantled.

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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

COVID stole a year or two of schooling for students in poorer families.

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[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Impressive that Arkansas and Kansas aren't even on the list. They must be down wherever Mississippi, Louisiana and Hawaii came from.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Regular readers of /r/teachers are not surprised. Teachers have been sounding the alarm for decades, as they still are.

Also, if you love your kid, you'll teach them to read. I mean books, real books, long books, no pictures, "chapter books" (which was a term I'd never heard till recently. Because, of course, books have chapters, why would one need to differentiate between... oh.) Read to them, read with them, talk about books with them, take them to the library, and take them to the book store. Give them books as presents.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

When I was in junior high they decided we weren't reading enough. So for 40 minutes or so after lunch we had a reading period where everyone just read novels. Might be a good idea again.

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[-] angband@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

What about the other 12 states?

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[-] imeansurewhynot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

You'd probably knows this was old news if you read more.

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[-] imeansurewhynot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

This, of course, is why people have stopped commenting on the internet.

[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Downvoat beecaws this kommint is baiassed aginst peepole hu kant reed gud.

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[-] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

If they could read, they'd probably be really mad about that.

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Per the article:

The data includes third- through eighth-grade test scores for districts in 40 states and the District of Columbia, as of the end of last school year. It accounts for about 68 percent of U.S. school districts nationwide. (Ten states were excluded, among them New York and Illinois, because of high opt-out rates or noncomparable data.)

Oddly, only 38 states + DC in the graphic shared here

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[-] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

A big part of the issue is a lot of states abandoning “phonic” based teaching for “whole language”. In phonics the focus is on teaching how letters come together to form the sound of a word, while whole language is based on just memorizing the pronunciation of words. kids being taught how to sound out words will take longer to get to a point of being able to read out short simple text, but whole language can get them reading simple stuff with all the words they’ve already been taught very quickly.

The problem is that when you move past simple stuff only using words they’ve memorized, a kid taught to sound out words will be able to figure out words they haven’t seen before, meaning that they can start to learn new words passively just by reading more complex books. The whole language taught kids need to learn every new word by instruction or by just guessing based on context, making it much harder and slower. It gets frustrating quickly and kids taught this way rarely develop a real interest in reading due to that difficulty.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago

it has been for like 20+years, thats around the time they were giving participation grades for people to pass HS. with AI/ absent parenting it has only gotten worst. likewise with mathematics too. and people doing arithmetic courses in cc is a sign, eventhough its not as useful as algebra anyways.

[-] Kommeavsted@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yes I'm sure it's those and unrelated to chronic under funding, under staffing, and socioeconomic decline.

The horror stories about common core are evangelical right wing propaganda in their war on pubic education. They still teach algebra in K-12.

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