Me when people forget about Wallace and Gromit.
Would you like a spot of wensleydale old chum?
Speaking of propping things up - Wensleydale were propped up by Wallace & Gromit.
Yeah because the truth is it's actually pretty rubbish cheese. I'm allowed to say that, you can't, but I can.
If you have the one with cranberries, yes!
If you have one without cranberries, also yes!
i heard about this on a podcast. it is great news for stop-motion, and considering how many shitty rich people there are, it's nice to know there's a couple good ones promoting art.
Also their movies are good and all but one of their movies made tens of millions of dollars.
for stop-motion, a very niche art-form, making 10-130 million dollars profit per film is laudable.
went too big with missing link though, which i haven't seen yet.
I don't know if motion animation is the same as other types of films, but for most of the industry you need box office sales to be double of the film budget for it to be considered profitable. Mainly due to marketing budgets and the huge percentage of profit that theaters get for the first few weeks of a film's release.
It's pretty different from live action according to creators and producers, it's such a small market and stop motion is so difficult to explain and get off the ground and promote that financial expectations are much more realistic.
You're right that if a live-action movie costs $100 million to make grosses $180 million, the producers are upset, but that's a greedy, ego-driven convention of the modern studio system, they are still making tens of millions of dollars before everything on the back end is added in.
The stop-motion world has a more realistic perspective on production and the artists love every single piece of art they create, so also making $40 million as evidence that their art style can succeed in mainstream culture is the cherry on top of any project that even gets to be fully produced.
It’s more that if a movie costs $100 million to make, it’s usually $100 million in marketing. So it would need to make $200 million to break even. Making $180 million means someone lost $20 million dollars, so I wouldn’t really call it greedy. If the movies are not making the money then they’d need to just start reducing scope or just hope someone will keep bank rolling them.
That's what studios publicly lament about without going into detail. Between streaming, retail and merchandising alone, they're making their money back.
Marketing campaigns are not bankrupting movie profits.
If a studio makes 180 box office on a 100 million dollar production and they say they've lost 80 mil through marketing, they are pulling your leg.
"ah yeah, first quarter my team only made 23 points, oh well, thats the game."
No, there are three other quarters that the studio isn't talking about because it reduces their future negotiating leverage.
Of course studios want more money, but studios aren't losing money on movies that get close but don't tip the magic number of "double the budget"
huge percentage of profit that theaters get for the first few weeks of a film's release.
This is backwards. Theaters actually get very little percentage early on in the release and only get more later. Most early profits go to the film studio/publisher. Or at least this was how it worked ore-Covid. Maybe it's different now.
Wow, I usually keep track of their films as I like stop motion, but I wasn't aware Missing Link existed at all, and it came out 7 years ago!
I also didn't hear about it until last year, and I don't I have any memory of seeing previews or promotion for the film.
breaking even with stop motion is laudable. because like we won awards with our films but i think we earned like 5 grand total. we spent way more than that over the years on tacos for the crew alone.
Exactly, making $100 million profit on stop-motion is like feverishly, lovingly crafting a bespoke hot air balloon with a thousand discarded model airplane kits and then realizing you've somehow survived landing on the moon.
Aardman also produces stop-motion, so it is untrue that Laika is alone.
Not such a positive story for Will Vinton, who had a hostile takeover of his studio, and then was fired and replaced by the new owner’s son.
I think about this scene so much whenever I'm doing a project
What do you mean „financially successful“? The movie Kubo from 2016 had more revenue than budget. Is that not successful?
It is a damn good movie btw.
https://bombreport.com/yearly-breakdowns/2016-2/kubo-and-the-two-strings/
Breakdown here.
No, it was a loss.
Isn't that standard Hollywood accounting?
E.g. Return of the Jedi never made a profit either, on paper
Ah, so basically Marketing is not included in the budget. And theaters take a big cut from the revenue.
Sounds like the type of things normal dudes say when asked what they'd do if they won the lottery. Maybe Travis is a normal dude under the nepotism?
Aardman Animations: excuse me?
I mean at least he's doing something productive with his wealth. That puts him insanely far ahead of most wealth babies.
Are you not counting claymation? Because i'm sure that Wallace and grommit would like a word.
'Propping up the stop motion film industry' is quite the statement. Aardman Animaton has been releasing feature length stop motion movies since 2000 and all have done very well. Also Laika only worked on Corpse Bride of Tim Burton's multiple very successful stop motion movies.
Isn't Aardman (shaun the sheep, wallace & gromit) still consistently put out stopmotion? Or are they just cheating the visual style with 3d animation?
Yeah, Aardman are very much still stop motion (with a few tiny cheats, the stadium audience in Early Man and the sea in Pirates on an Adventure with Scientists).
Aardman has had a CG division since the mid-90s. Flushed Away was their first all-CG feature, followed by Arthur Christmas. Pirates! in an Adventure With Scientists was intended to be fully CG but, at the request of Sony, it was changed to stop-motion with extensive CG augmentation.
Pirates on an Adventure with Scientists
damn, that's a better title than the US got
I liked Kubo and the Two Strings a lot.
However, Mathew McConaughey? He was a very strange choice for voice talent in that film. It did not fit the aesthetic at all, he stuck out like a sore thumb. That southern drawl thing he's got in a movie that has primarily Asian characters? Well all right all right all right.
In a non-cap society, do stop motion movies still get created by enthusiasts?
I think so.
Did he fall far away from that shit family tree, or does he have his dad's politics?
If I had that dude's wealth I would be putting so many artists on my payroll.
It sounds like he is.
I don't get the negative comments, dude could have multiplied his wealth with some good real estate investments and milk tenants for the rest of his life, instead he chose to hire some artists in a dying industry. What a terrible thing to do when you're born rich.
I've worked for a few big CEOs kids, they're a bit fucked in the head because they really don't have to do anything ever. The ones I met seemed to be lounge around hippies who travelled to festivals when they felt like it. I walked one kid through his mothers offices while he picked out furniture he wanted for the house he's just gotten in a trendy part of town. Many thousands of dollar pieces of corporate furniture that he could pick and choose from.
So the Kid of Mr Nike helping keep stop motion alive is cool with me. I really liked "Strings" but I'm not sure if this guy is involved.
Wes Anderson put out a wildly successful stop motion picture in 2009.
Consistently, sure, but that doesn’t actually mean it’s dead.
Isle of Dogs is one of my favorite movies
As long as you don’t piss off your patron.
Aren't all artists dependent of some rich guys or rich guy's wifes?
I saw an art exhibition recently, I am not able to buy a 200€ pillow.
i don't know the full story but iirc that was how the band Supertramp stayed afloat until they were successful, patronage from some rich guy
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