You are going to quickly arguing yourself into hopeless contradiction if you think this framing of intrinsic deserving as a variable feature and moralistic bullshit like that. Killing something yourself doesn't make it better or worse, this argument just appeals to you because you know many people wouldn't be able to. Wanting to make fewer people eat meat is cool and good, but vapid sophistry is not how you get there.
Here's a post that definitely won't end up locked after at least one Hexbear gets banned
We have vegan struggle sessions much like the moon has cycles
Vegan struggle sessions are like Hexbear Highlander. Eventually there will only be vegans left because each one some of the carnists get deleted from the Internet, but then they'll argue about some semantic difference between various types of veganism, until the only Hexbears that are left are Jains. I don't think they'll fight each other off though all that Jains I've ever known were the chillest.
So I guess the end state of Hexbear is Jainbear. Which sounds neat probably
brb, gonna go get a broom so I can sweep the bugs from my path
I do relocate snails and worms if they're likely to be stepped on.
I've done some hunting and skinned a deer in my time. It's not as stomach churning as you may think.
However what is stomach churning is what happens in factory farms. I'm not nearly as concerned with the slaughter as I am with the conditions the animals are kept in up until the slaughter
The real problem with people who eat meat is that they haven't completely inured themselves to the screams of the dying.
More Americans should do the FFA thing, where you raise a baby piglet to slaughter weight and then personally tear the adorable creature's heart out with a knife. That's definitely going to produce a bunch of vegetarians and not a generation of hollow-eyed psychopaths. Can't wait till we have more guys like Ron DeSantis, staring blankly into empty space for hours on end, then giggling softly any time they hear the sounds of pain.
If you can't stomach soldering fumes you shouldn't get to use electronics. If you don't acid etch your own circuit boards you disgust me.
Do components suffer in order to be produced into useful electronic devices?
You're making a separate argument. The argument OP is making is that people shouldn't be able to eat animals if they can't butcher them. Which isn't really a Vegan argument, or even an argument against making animals suffer since it implies that people should be able to eat meat as long as they have experience hunting and butchering. As someone else said
Killing something yourself doesn't make it better or worse, this argument just appeals to you because you know many people wouldn't be able to. Wanting to make fewer people eat meat is cool and good, but vapid sophistry is not how you get there.
no but the workers do.
How does me killing my own meat stop animals from suffering? If anything OP is encouraging animal suffering. When amateurs kill animals there is more chance for the animals to have a prolonged and painful death. Encouraging amateurs to butcher their own meat will lead to more waste meaning more animals will die.
I went to school to be a butcher, originally. I actually know how to break down a whole beef into primals, then, i can passingly get primals broken down into finish cuts. Ive done that in the past several times. Chickens too, from live to its final nugget form.
I agree fully, if youre going to eat it, you should be able to stomach the task.
Im also a vegetarian, so make of that what you will.
I used to live on a homestead where we'd occasionally kill and butcher chickens after giving them a long happy life of running free on a large property - basically the "happy farm" every carnist likes to pretend they buy their meat from.
It was still wrong and I think back on that time really negatively - the killing at least. I loved taking care of those little dinosaurs and watching them run around while I smoked on the front porch. They should have just been pets. 
Look, I don't think stomaching slaughtering animals should allow you to eat meat.
ngl you shouldn't get to eat meat regardless of your feelings about violence towards animals
you should change your diet either way tbh
I can excuse institutional ecocide and mass murder, but I draw the line at hypocrisy 
I don't really hunt or farm(don't live where that's an option) but I have butchered and ate a grouse that flew into my window and died one time. Free food is free food.
flying into your window and dying is probably as good as you're gonna get for consent
Uncritical support for this post.
If you can't butcher your own meat, you're using the disconnect of letting someone else handle that trauma for you to allow yourself to be complicit in the murder of a being.
Kill it and cut it yourself, or don't fucking eat it.
I was a butcher for nine years so it doesn't bother me to break down a dead body.
What always bothered me was killing lobsters from the tank. Seeing the life leave their body was rough.
I've butchered birds before and I've butchered deer before.
I'd butcher them live in my house if it was cheaper to buy them live. All my poultry is bought as the whole dead bird and cut on my countertop to save money.
I actually did spend a few months working at a meat plant before i started college. It was genuinely preferable to working fast food.
Retvrn to persistence hunting. If you can't/won't walk after an antelope for day or two until they exhaust themselves you should change your diet
I've been fishing before and cleaned the fish. Not really too difficult. The only reason I wouldn't do it again is that fishing is fucking boring.
Harvesting and foraging for fruits, veggies, greens, and mushrooms is such a nice experience.
Then there's butchering, hunting, and fishing. I haven't done any except fishing though I've been a witness to all. All horrifying and scarring experiences.
Apparently people do feel the same sense of achievement in these as foraging. Idk man, to me it's like the difference between finding a coin on the ground vs mugging someone
I don't have much of a problem with killing animals, i just get worried I'll do it wrong and prolong their suffering, which I think is reasonable. give me the right tool setup I would go much faster. I've only had to do mercy killings of injured birds and mice, and it hasn't been that pleasant when all I have is a hammer.
So does this also mean I’m only allowed to drink femboy milk if I do the milking myself?
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
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