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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 266 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

“Oh, what’s this unauthorized bullshit on our servers?”


I’m just surprised that it took this long

[-] wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social 83 points 2 months ago

same. there seems to be a lot of people that don't realize some things don't get done, not because they're impossible, but because as soon as they do it a company will put a stop to it.

it's like cracking a Xbox or something. the very next patch will render the method obsolete and nonviable. when i heard this workaround was coming for Android, my immediate reaction was how long it would last before Apple just changed something so that it doesn't work.

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[-] Toes@ani.social 27 points 2 months ago

Probably had to be extra careful to test. MDM software software might get glitched out.

[-] drislands@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

I'm really curious about how it was detected, how it was different from Apple devices. If nothing else I'm looking forward to reading about how that all worked.

[-] AProfessional@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

It is usually easy to detect a specific client. Like even if you ignore the keys there are dozens of little details like the TLS fingerprint of whatever library they use not matching iOS. Things that are easy to miss and sometimes hard to bypass. Then there are heuristics on how it is used is likely unique.

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[-] drislands@lemmy.world 227 points 2 months ago

Can all the folks saying "I don't care" on this just stop? If this doesn't affect you, why are you commenting at all?

Some smart folks managed to reverse engineer Apple's secretive tech that they refuse to put on any platform they don't own, which is fucking awesome. Even if you don't give a shit about using iMessage, it's awesome they were able to stick it to Apple at all, and make the gap between iPhone and Android that much smaller.

And of course Apple comes in and breaks it. Do you not wonder why? Does this mean there was a minor security hole that was exploited or was it something else that changed? This arms race is fascinating, regardless of your preferred mobile OS.

[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 91 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We're literally on a platform designed to escape these closed ecosystems and walled gardens. A platform built around open communication standards.

And still there's a downright bizarre contingent of people around here that seem to be chomping at the bit to defend or downplay Apple's iMessage shit.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

That's funny when most of the comments are saying "just use WhatsApp" as if that's not a walled garden for messaging.

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[-] Mikey_donuts@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago

I read that it was a 16 year old kid which makes it more fascinating

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[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 214 points 2 months ago

The fact that people care about whether their messages are blue or green is so absolutely ridiculous.

I've known people who literally refuse to message anyone who doesn't use iMessage (and by extension has an iPhone).

Every one of them turned out to be a twat in every other facet of their personality as well.

[-] set_secret@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

yeah people should use this a a filter for people they should be avoiding.

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[-] CrowAirbrush@lemm.ee 26 points 2 months ago

This reminds me of the blackberry ping days, everyone and their mom acting like a diva for having a sidekick blackberry just to use ping.

Those were better days financially.

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[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 171 points 2 months ago

It isn’t “Androids “ anything. It’s a third party app. Way to stir things up.

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[-] filister@lemmy.world 120 points 2 months ago

Apples was and is still extremely anti-competitive and anti-consumers oriented.

[-] Dmian@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Apple has always been a closed ecosystem, doing things “their way”. When they only sold computers, it was a niche company, with a niche audience. Then they started selling music players and phones, and they became a popular company.

The blue vs green bubble is just an American problem, that still use SMS as their main messaging protocol. The rest of the world use messaging app, like WhatsApp. It’s truly fascinating watching these events from outside the US.

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[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 28 points 2 months ago

Remember this is the same company that has to either comply with the EU bridging regulation between messaging platforms or withdraw from the market.

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[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 21 points 2 months ago

Apple fanboys don't care one bit. As long as they can look cool and feel like part of the cool kids, they'll buy.

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 96 points 2 months ago

why can't you simply foster openness and community god fucking dammit

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago
[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 months ago

iPhone user here, because Apple likes money.

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[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 21 points 2 months ago

Scum company

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago

Well, because it's Apple.

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[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 58 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think it's a bit crazy to create a paid service on top of a reverse engineered product that isn't static. Indivious, NewPipe and other youtube frontends aren't going to create a paid youtube frontend, because they know Google could kill that at any point. Google could dedicate a full team to making youtube frontends non-functional.

Apple has a much bigger incentive to derail iMessage alternatives because they know that dumb parents have taught their kids how to live in a closed ecosystem and be slaves to Apple. 87% of USAian teenagers use Apple, which means it's only a matter of time before Apple becomes the dominant player on the market. If you want to keep making fat stacks of cash, the best thing you can do is control the market, which means killing of competition.

The only reason Apple would ever stop killing competitors is if it became legally and financially detrimental to do so. They'd have to reach Microsoft levels of antitrust and bad press before even considering backpedaling.

Everyone buying their products is helping Apple along to their goal of market dominance.

[-] Kazumara@feddit.de 35 points 2 months ago

87% of teenagers use Apple

Do you mean US American teenagers, or North American teenagers, or who exactly? Surely that can't be global?

[-] ConsumptionOne@sopuli.xyz 49 points 2 months ago

That stat came from an article that made the rounds a few weeks ago that cited a phone survey of 1000 or so kids in one small part of the US. Small, poorly controlled sample size, so bad data.

[-] TheNeoStormZ@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

It isn't. As far as I know, iMessage is irrelevant in Europe.

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[-] fine_sandy_bottom@aussie.zone 58 points 2 months ago

Honestly let's have some dignity and not buy into this vapid pretentious idiocy.

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[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 58 points 2 months ago

Illegal Anti-Competitive / Cartel behaviour, yes??

Apple, you are only exempt-from-law UNTIL the regulators decide to do their jobs honestly.

THEN, you're hosed.

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[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

This doesn't matter because everyone should be using signal.

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[-] avitld@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 2 months ago

What's the point of even using iMessage when there's so many better options for messaging.

[-] modcolocko@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 months ago

"It's installed by default and all my friends are on it" - 50% of Americans

They don't need to worry about the fact that the other half of Americans are not able to comfortably message them, or participate in group chats, because those are people poorer than them that they might not even want to interact with anyways. Some of them might even be not white.

This becomes even more extreme as ages become younger, with around 98% of college age students and younger having iPhones (this is obviously biased to higher income colleges in metropolitian area but the data is still useful). The peer pressure of not having an iPhone is genuinely incredible (trust me, i experience it). I have genuinely had people stop wanting to be friends with me once they learned I had an Android phone.

Apple has a monopoly so powerful that they influence the social circles of almost every grade schooler and college student in America. This is why they don't want to give it up.

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[-] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

how could no one have forseen the most obvious outcome in the world coming?

[-] capital@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

Saw a few comments in the initial threads about it confidently claiming Apple wouldn’t be able to keep Beeper Mini out since doing so would mess with iOS too.

Super weird to be so sure about that when they obviously didn’t know shit about it.

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[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 24 points 2 months ago

Whoever gave it 24 hours gets a medal from me

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