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Actually this thread in general is a pretty interesting one, people really calling the sub on their BS

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[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 75 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Leftists burned immense amounts of political capital in 2020

That's not what political capital means.

Also, he talks about leftists retconning, but the only retconning about massive and hugely popular protests was people pretending after the fact there wasn't massive support behind them.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 35 points 10 months ago

And people/governments agreeing to make changes in the face of said hugely popular protests and then just not making those changes

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

From the same comment

The position that police brutality is very bad, cops who do it should be fire…

These motherfuckers view it as an employment issue, when in reality it’s a how to remove stains from a wall type issue. Fucking liberals can’t get anything right.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Do they think everything is twitter? Leftists have no public presence in America whatsoever. The only thing I can think is these people are talking specifically about the 2020 Sanders coalition or anyone they think might belong to it. They're either electoral brained or twitter brained or some unholy combination of both

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 61 points 10 months ago

che-smile critical support lol

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 50 points 10 months ago

Holy fuck every single comment has at least one fucking annoying automod response under it.

Is this what they think is funny say leftist and get an automatic message telling them leftists are morally bankrupt?

Do they realize they have the same politics as a small child with a sit and spin?

[-] LeninsBeard@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

TBF the Deprogram sub also has that. So less a political ideology thing and more a "literal children trying to discuss politics" thing

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

The Deprogram ones I kinda get, the idea is if a lib wanders in the bots slam them with info dumps that are mean to dismiss their tired ass talking points. It gets annoying when we have to type out the same 6 or 7 responses to the same 6 or 7 easily debunkable Lib arguments, sometimes I almost wish HexBear had that feature. They're actual counter arguments not just quippy responses like the neolib ones.

Issue is they get triggered too damn easily and end up clogging up the comments. I feel like it would be better if only Mods could deploy them and did so only once or twice per thread. Or maybe that wouldn't work either and we're just better off without it then.

[-] LeninsBeard@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

Yeah at least the Deprogram ones are actually informative.

[-] M68040@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

I kinda thought the automod abuse was a "Chapo did it" thing tbh

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 10 months ago

It will never stop to be funny to see the libs coming over with rants about Tiananmen, gulags and Uyghur and get completely obliterated by a bot in seconds.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

They're trying to use automod the same way left subs do to promote a party line. They don't like the word leftist, the subreddit itself is pulled leftwards of the "neoliberal" politics (thatcherism/reaganism) its team wishes to promote.

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[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago

If they aren't constantly told that they are morally superior to all others, they start to question why everything is rotting away under neoliberalism.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If no authority figure tells them they're a very good and clever boy they start to sweat and get the shakes

[-] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 44 points 10 months ago

They have an automod claiming “Leftists are morally bankrupt” dont-laugh

Who’s policies exactly balance a spreadsheet of starving child vs unstarving children?

[-] LocalMaxima@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

morally bankrupt vs rich with no morals

[-] M68040@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

I agree that I am morally bankrupt, because conventional notions of morality are worthless if this is where they lead us

[-] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 6 points 10 months ago

they're just leaning into the name it's not really a place for neoliberals

So many people in that shithole sub try to argue that the name is uust a joke while fully supporting everything about neoliberalism.

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 42 points 10 months ago

and then it's followed up with dipshits saying "NUH UH LEFTISTS HAVE SO MUCH POWER ON CITY COUNCILS AND THAT DANG WEST COAST"

can they give examples? doubt it, because they are definitely just calling some DemSocs(aka liberals) leftists.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

You want me to just list the names of some large U.S. with multiple self-proclaimed socialists or communists on the board? Ok. Oakland, Portland, Denver, Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, New York, Philadelphia, Washington D.C. (bit different due to federal involvement but the mayor is far left)

Fresh comment, 16 mins old. Not a USian but I'm pretty sure this is all bullshit, but someone in the US could probably respond better. (Also, the allegation was not that there were several DSA members on council like Chicago but that "leftists hold a significant amount of power" on city councils), so some slippery bullshit on top.

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

A couple succs won very low ranking positions in local governments, this means the left can totally derail the Democratic Party

[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

but the mayor is far left

IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD IS MURIEL BOWSER “FAR LEFT”

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

after mario touches the axe?

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

I really want to run for City council at some point and give these people something to really bitch about lol.

Oh I'll reform the police lol.

[-] Deadend@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

The ones in Chicago basically have no power. One had a tiny smidgen of power and had it stripped away via a bullshit show off force by one of the most annoying guys on Twitter faking up an assault story.

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

Philadelphia resident here. Who are the communists or socialists on City Council here?

Are they just complaining about Krasner again?

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Kshama Sawant in Seattle. She spearheaded the $15 minimum wage push, probably being the reason any city/county/state anywhere has adopted it. IIRC she's also not running for re-election, and is going to focus on far more important and effective labor organizing and movement building going forward.

I'm pretty sure that's it. Definitely none of the city council members, state politicians, or federal representatives in California anywhere near me are anything even vaguely leftist.

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

Yea that thread was very much not reassur8ng lol the comment blaming leftists was way more upvoted and the comment saying "You're referring to liberals" when saying the west coast is full of communists was downvoted

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

I just looked into this and the most left people could find were a few scattered progressives who otherwise work with Democrats anyway. There are a few self described socialists actually, but most of the time they'll be the only one on a city council of 15 people.

There are some DSA members on LA's city council. Apparently one of whom (Eunisses Hernandez) is a prison abolitionist, and that's awesome. But none of these people have majorities and seems like they're only barely tolerated by Democrats.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago

Leftists hold a significant amount of power on city councils in most of the country's large cities.

Oakland, Portland, Denver, Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, New York, Philadelphia, Washington D.C. (bit different due to federal involvement but the mayor is far left)

Ok, I'm looking into this. Chicago's city council has a democratic socialist caucus of 6 people out of 50. Denver seems to have had 1 socialist out of 13 up until this year, but currently has 0. Philadelphia has 2 members of the leftist Working Families Party on the council out of 17. Los Angeles has (I think) 3 DSA members on their council out of 15, and all 3 are in the Democratic party as well.

I've never heard of DC's mayor but I sincerely doubt she's some firebrand leftist.

This is considered a significant amount of power by these neoliberal goofballs. These are cities that have supermajorities of elected normal Democrats anyway.

[-] DrCrustacean@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

Having 0 seats on a council is significant power but having control of the presidency and both houses of Congress hasn't ever been enough to get legislation passed

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

This is considered a significant amount of power by these neoliberal goofballs.

This checks out. Americans think a third of the country is Jewish, another third is Muslim. They think a third is indigenous. They think a fifth of the country are millionaires. Why wouldn't they think the cities are run by communists?

[-] axont@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

They think 21% of people are trans? And 27% are indigenous?

Americans can't conceive of anything smaller than 1/5

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 10 months ago

I think it's portion sizes of their meals.

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

okay wait wait, how rigorous are YouGov surveys though. Do they throw a random questions in the middle to check that participants aren't just randomly clicking through asap to get the gift card/money prize?

Because if they don't, I can totally see the participants just randomly doing shit to make it look "believable"

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[-] casskaydee@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Sorry "Bashar al Assad", but there is nothing in your link supporting that claim other than the fact that she is a Democrat, which is the banner under which almost all politicians left of the KKK have to run under in order to have a realistic chance of winning (because you usually cannot win as a smaller party or independent). Her policies are left wing.

So you think anyone left of the KKK is "left wing" and therefore "morally bankrupt".

he-admit-it

[-] macerated_baby_presidents@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Chicago

so not true it makes you laugh

Seattle

call me back when the Kshama Sawant clone army invades

jesus christ i hate these people

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

call me back when the Kshama Sawant clone army invades

woman emails me like she's got a clone army of email writers

HOW DID SHE GET MY FUCKING EMAIL?????

[-] Nationalgoatism@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Muriel Bowser, mayor of DC is a far right vampire. Her most recent thing is refusing to distribute additional food stamp money that was unanimously approved by the city council, while also trying to give 500 million dollars to the Washington wizards

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

the idea that no modern society has not functioned without police is absurd, plenty of European nations did not have a formalized police force until the 1900s, maybe they dont consider the 1800s 'modern' but i certainly do, all the formal class relations of today were cemented then. i also dont necessarily agree with a complete abolition of the idea of police, but i do agree with the complete abolition of the american police. its also a little interesting how muddled this idea has become because originally america did not have a police force, they had slave patrols which morphed into the present day police force.

also i fucking hate seeing trans people on /r/neoliberal, go talk to more of our community jesus christ

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

the idea that no modern society has not functioned without police is absurd, plenty of European nations did....

Also, it is a very intentional choice to ignore non-nation-state societies. Which is no surprise. It's part of the liberal strategy to pretend you cannot have human society without a violently oppressive institution dictating 99% of your living conditions and aiming them all toward the support and protection of capitalism.

It's almost a tautology, in a world where capitalism is globally ubiquitous: I'm going to ignore societies that don't have police in order to pretend that societies cannot exist without the police.

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[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 10 months ago

Wow, they truly are beyond parody.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Real "automated loudspeaker echoing simple conditioning phrases all day throughout the dystopian city" vibe from this automod

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 10 months ago

I love that they call leftists "morally bankrupt" while their automod advertises that you can have your own custom automod response added if you donate to their charity. It's open moral bankruptcy on display while claiming their enemies are morally bankrupt.

[-] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

you can have your own custom automod response added if you donate to their charity

Lol. What are the odds that the automod would let any leftist or critical messaging through?

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[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I can't even use reddit anymore lol

This is the link right? https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/BIiJCd0X20

using the reddit.com/r/whatever/s/blahblahblah share link (or any "reddit.com" url) just blocks you these days if you're not logged in and using a VPN ip address. Mobile app "features" are intended to datamine as much as possible so if they can't datamine you, you just get blocked. People should use an alternate front end or, if you're logged in, use old.reddit.com and grab the url from the address bar instead of the reddit mobile app (which is garbage and datamines you and whoever clicks your share links). I would switch the url over to "old.reddit.com" but it's not working for me like it usually does because the link is some kind of generated share link instead of the usual thread url that you grab straight from the address bar.

Unless that's the joke or something and I just didn't get it. Anyway, they're an astroturfed fossil fuel think tank subreddit so if they have broken clock syndrome I'm not too impressed. What does the thread say? What's it about?

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[-] Tripbin@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

holy fuck, even if that wasnt a neolib sub itd be insufferable with that automod shit.

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