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A cargo plane flew 50 miles with no pilot onboard using a semi-automated system. An aviation expert says the technology could address the pilot shortage.::The flight system allows a plane to be remote operated by a pilot on the ground, which could streamline pilot airline operations in the future.

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 125 points 1 year ago

This will be done more and more until the first crash. Then everyone will freak out and everything will be grounded. The engineers will point out that statistically the flights done this way were safer ( 1 million miles were flown by AI in the last 3 years with only one incident. The same done by commercial pilots would have caused 3.5 incidents!)

Then other incidents will be dredged up. Some won't be actual incidents, some won't be the fault of the AI, and some will be because a human overrid AI control. However, the public will firmly be on the side of only humans should fly planes. Laws will be drafted. Then loopholes for "drones" will be made. A decade later these loopholes will be large enough to fly a 737 through.

No one will remember why they were put in place in the first place, but one political party will be firmly against removing the laws. It will take another generation for them to finally be removed, and by that point computers will be so far integrated with humans that biological humans might be banned from flying under the law if things didn't change.

Hopefully, people will look back on this and say, lol, no, that post was edited in 2035, but good try.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Can you tell us the lotto numbers please?

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

However, the public will firmly be on the side of only humans should fly planes. Laws will be drafted. Then loopholes for “drones” will be made.

That part could just as well go another way:

The transportation and large sellers of packages, like Amazon, strongly lobbied the government. Now any victim of a crash with automated planes gets a standard payout from the insurance. A class action lawsuits from family members of the victims was eventually decided in favor of the corporations.

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've read your life is only worth $10k.

I have nothing to back that up, but if anyone finds the source of that quote, I'd be interested.

Yea, no thanks on automation. In the end I'm still dead by another human's mistake. So I'd rather have a pilot on board.

I've seen how bad aircraft automation is already. Much of it shouldn't even be in the air currently. It's already overridden pilot commands łor at least ignored inputs as outside parameters), crashing planes.

[-] adj16@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

😆

I think you’re spot on

I'd read this book.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

Anything will be done to address “shortages” other than paying fairly

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

You need training to fly, so there's a lag between you posting higher salaries and actually getting new pilots

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

While you are right, the airline industry has known about this for a while and did nothing.

[-] Baines@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

we knew about this in early 90s lololol

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

No there really isn't. The Navy and Air Force are full of people who love flying. Even people who can fly but don't qualify to be fighter pilots. They work on planes, design them, or fly transport planes.

Usually the jobs outside the military pay better (cybersecurity, IT, etc.). Flying commercial isn't that much better because of the hours. Imagine having better hours in the military and a better retirement package after 20 years. That's why there's not enough pilots.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Cocaine delivery just got a lot easier and cheaper

[-] 18107@aussie.zone 15 points 1 year ago

Adequate for cargo flights, not happening any time soon for passenger flights. Aviation safety is very strict and slow to change.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

To address the pilot pay, in my own opinion I think that flying is reasonably paid. Most entry level jobs (in my area) range between 70-90k. This is comfortable for the most part and above all common jobs.

The main issue for me is the training costs. I would still be headed towards the aviation industry if I wasn't held back by the financial debt that I would incur.

[-] Shirasho@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

Pilots are paid bank BECAUSE the training is so expensive. If you make the training cheaper the compensation will drop with it. Of course lowering the barrier to entry is a good thing, but don't expect the compensation to remain high.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You right. But like, ironically, I can't do the training with a family to care for.

When I asked around to the other flight students on how they are paying for it, it was 45% GI Bill, 50% daddy/grandparents paying for it, and the rest were paying bit by bit or finally making enough money to afford it.

[-] Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

It also depends if you go with a school or an independent instructor. I spent a good chunk of cash getting my PPL before I decided to change careers because of how expensive every step towards my ATP would be

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I went 141 and est total cost was over 150k but that has government assistance for a portion where I didn't have to pay up front.

Part 61 is absolutely cheaper overall but you have to pay up front with no assistance.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Tesla autopilot for airplanes. What could possibly go wrong.

[-] cerberus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Considering most all commercial flights are fly by wire except for taxi, takeoff, and landing… not sure

[-] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[-] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

We've been flying things without pilots onboard as far back as WW2.

[-] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Target drones, not the buzzbombs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Tiger_Moth#Gunnery_target_drone

edit: I suppose you don't have to land gunnery targets just like you don't really have to land bombs.

[-] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Well, there is a pilot veteran with ptsd along the passengers, he could maybe do the job. And he knows one of the air hostess.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

But he's got that drinking problem..

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[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And we currently see issues even with current (relatively) modest automation systems that are designed to prevent pilot error.

There's way too many failures with current systems to even talk about full automation yet, in my opinion.

Let's get current automation subsystems to much lower error rates first.

I've never seen a fuel injection system on a car suddenly stop delivering fuel for no apparent reason, then startup again. The computers for such systems in cars are tremendously over-engineered.

I can't understand why we accept less for aircraft systems today. This didn't used to be the case.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I don't want to fly with an automated pilot. I want someone with skin in the game.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have an uncle that quit being a pilot because being a trucker paid much better. I not stating an opinion, just a fact. Do with it what you will.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Fallout New Vegas is the best video game of all time. I'm not stating a fact, just an opinion. Do with it what I will.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago

So, basically just a really big drone?

[-] bloopernova@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Not a single Terminator 2 quote. I am disappoint.

[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Or, you know, just pay pilots more.

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Never going to happen

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You know what else could fix the pilot shortage?

Decent wages and much lower training costs.

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