Maybe lurk moar wasn't the worst of concepts (hexbear.net)

submitted 11 months ago by 7bicycles@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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There's too much online discussion where the topic at hand is reinvented from first principles again, and again, and again, in what can at best be described as a strenous relationship to actual reality as every debateperson is loaded with the assumption that they are imbued with the sum total of human knowledge and therefore must never read any material on anything other than other peoples posts that are also reinvented from first principles

These people should all be shamed away from participating in any discussion until they better themselves, which is what lurk moar did.

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[-] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Mao in Oppose book worship

I. NO INVESTIGATION, NO RIGHT TO SPEAK

Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn't that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago

'Lurk moar' stands in contradiction with engagement and the creation of content; the concept could never survive in the """""free market of ideas""""" of the internet.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

I disagree broadly with the premise. I think it is helpful to engage in topics you know nothing about. But by engage I don't mean try to tear down or refute, I mean ask questions, and then listen to the answers. Engage by consuming and learning. Learning is good and we often learn from each other. Engagement is good as long as that engagement isn't robbing anyone of a voice but is instead amplifying that voice. Asking good faith questions and then listening to the answers is one way to do this.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

This is good advice for most people but I already know everything about everything.

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

It's fine to engage, albeit

I mean ask questions, and then listen to the answers.

is flying very close to the sun of gish gallop bullshit questions that, really, you should just google.

I'd argue this site has the concept pretty down pat. I mean there's some good souls who'd write your truthful answer as to things like "Why is blackface racist but not whiteface" or similar questions but really the appropiate answer is: there's enough written on this topic that you could just read that.

[-] bestmiaou@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 11 months ago

sometimes it's difficult to know where to look for good material on a subject, especially as search engines get inundated with seo approved llm generated garbage. discussions are a great way to spread around well written arguments and relate them to current topics, and i think we owe it to each other to share the good material we find.

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

I think we owe it to each other to search for shit first and ask questions second. there's a very thin line between earnest inquiry and exhausting marginalized comrades.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

It's often the case that when you google something that doesn't have a simple answer you'll get at least one result which is just a discussion on a forum. Granted, not all forums are created equal (we have the best posters don't we folks) so YMMV, and getting more input from different people can always be worth something.

[-] goose@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

I'm very much in favor of asking earnest questions.

It's comforting to see people who are interested in learning more about a subject and seek to grow as people (and as comrades)
It helps me feel empowered to ask a question that I might otherwise be embarrassed to ask
If I know the answer, it helps me organize my jumbled thoughts on the matter into a cogent response
If I think I know the answer but have trouble putting together a response, it reveals a gap in my knowledge or thinking

I do like the idea of pointing people toward previous discussions that turned out to be very helpful. Certain topics tend to follow the same path, and reading through a good discussion can scratch an itch that books or essays can't quite reach.

But even if the exact same discussion is created from whole cloth over and over, it's not a wasted effort if the people involved come out of it thinking more clearly.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

[-] allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

im 12 what is this

[-] Lerios@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

also lurk moar is just good for you as a user. being a 7 year old let loose on the internet was made a lot safer and less stressful by the general idea of "don't join discussions if you aren't certain whats going on" and "reread your message a bunch of times so you don't get dogpiled for something" and "DEAR GOD lie about your age and gender", and ngl thats all still pretty good strategy as an adult too.

the way modern kids act online really worries me sometimes - not for the sake of The Discourse or whatever, but for their safety and sanity.