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2023 Climate Spiral: An Unbelievable Year (fediscience.org)

submitted 11 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/earthscience@mander.xyz

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Re: @ZLabe@fediscience.org

It was an unbelievable year for global climate.

As data is released in the first two weeks of January, you are going to be hearing all about these new climate change records. Apologies for all my graphs in advance!! 😬

See the spiral animation produced by NASA at: https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/5190/

https://fediscience.org/@ZLabe/111676637022642331

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[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 36 points 11 months ago

It would appear that /summer/ is in fact coming, followed closely by War, Famine, Pestilence and Death.

Probably gonna have upwards of 100 million international climate refugees this decade alone.

The permafrost in the artic is already thawing and releasing methane.

Billionaires are building Bond Villain level apocalypse survival bunkers and staffing them with armed guards and stocking them with food.

That won't work in the long run, but its a pretttttty fucking bad sign.

[-] Pothetato@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Fuckers might as well build a whole city underground because yes a bunker situation won't last long.

[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 months ago

Well there was this game called BioShock where basically a guy does that and it doesnt work because, among other things, people got tired of his bullshit and just started unionizing and rioting.

Im sure that was just some silly video game though.

[-] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Funny thing is Horizon Zero Dawn has a very similar story, but they were way more technologically advanced than we were when they tried to save the planet with robots doing the harvesting that extinct animals couldn't.

But it's a silly game.

[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah I watched my brother play that game while I was heavily modding Kenshi.

He still plays every single Assasins Creed game and insists each one has innovative new gameplay and realistic stories...

I mostly remember basically every character in HZD having basically very wooden, barely passable facial animations and overly dramatic fantasy nonsense dialogue.

Like HL2 had better facial animations and dialogue in 03 or 04.

Oh well, I'm happy for Ashely Burch I guess.

My brother just also did not believe me when I told him I met her at PAX a decade + ago during the Hey Ash Watcha Playin? days.

HZD is a very pretty game, but not very interesting to me beyond that.

I would think that within the setting of the game's pre apocalylse technologically advanced past it would make more sense to just use genetic engineering to resurrect extinct species (we have nearly already resurrected the the wooly mammoth by basically using recovered frozen dna samples and filling in the gaps with an existing descendant elephant) and modify existing ones, but apparently it makes more sense to continue strip mining metal and rare earth metals to make robo-animals.

???

[-] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

I will agree the animations when talking were kinda stiff in Zero Dawn, but they definitely fixed that in Forbidden West. I liked it as a open world action/adventure, and appreciated the time that went into creating the world. With that being said I have 0 incentive to play the game over again since I hit level cap. As a sci-fi story, though, I really liked it and it sucks that Lance Reddick died because he voiced a pretty major character.

Based on how advanced the world was in Horizon pre-apocalypse lore I'm surprised genetic engineering was mentioned, but they do tie it all together in the story on why they went to robots. If you have the inclination I'd recommend giving it a shot yourself.

I met Ashley Burch at a Borderlands 2 event in Dallas about 10 years ago because from what I understand her brother wrote the story for the game, and she did voices in it.

[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You know I had heard that Forbidden West was better in a lot of ways but uh hilariously my brother made me homeless by royally fucking me over so I havent had a chance to play it yet.

-//Posting this on mobile in a motel halfway across the country on a burner phone because my bro engaged parental control mode on my phone by lying to TMobile amd claiming I was insane amd then lying to my friends and family telling them the same, all while using said parental control to stalk and harass me, and send me insane demands and gaslight me until I got the burner phone//-

[-] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Man good luck with all that BS, sounds like a crap situation to be in. At least you've found a way around the fuckery.

[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

Well Ive lost everything I have ever owned, was at one point held hostage, starved and beaten by a fentanyl crazed madman for 5 days, and discovered that all of my former friends and family are too busy to help me in anyway, or more common they would prefer to gaslight and play devils advocate type mind games with me while I am starving and sleeping outside.

So uh... yeah. New game +, but I am older now. Oh well.

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

The shame is that it will work for the billionaires provided the planet isn’t 100% uninhabitable.

There is going to be some kind of social/governance structure post societal collapse. If they can ride out 1-5 years with their pocket mercenaries and emerge unfucked after the outside world spent years killing each other over scarcer resources, they get to run things. They’ll have the pre-collapse tech, weapons, training, etc and resources to defend it

[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well, hilariously the Fallout games actually show why this likely wouldnt work.

Many of the Vaults had one kind or another of societal collapse/revolt within the Vault for many reasons.

Like, if you are in Zuck's doomsday compound as a security guard... and... money doesnt mean anything any more because the world collapsed... and you can just shoot him and stop following all his insane demands... why wouldnt you?

This kind of thing is also pretty common around the world and throughout history when money kind of stops working.

Ultimately it all comes down to having a functioning society that can afford to have specialized labor roles. They'll run out of food stores eventually and have to go outside and farm.

Which means farmers, security, you know a society with roles and values and ideologies that convince people its worth continuing on this way...

Its basically imposible to predict anything other than uncertainty and chaos when a shock or collapse of significant magnitude occurs. You could be right! But also possibly not.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Where's my 2°C gang at?

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Somewhere around 2030

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

We're going off the rails on a crazy train!

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Finally leaving orbit. To infinity and beyond!

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

We are in an El Nino year. That is skewing the data. Will be a few years before we figure out if this is El Nino, or even more accelerating climate change (though we know climate change is accelerating)

[-] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

I mean, we’ve had El Niño’s before. Is there a reason this specific El Niño is skewing the data? I’m not a climate scientist, but I just don’t see how it really adds to anything other than higher than typical ocean temperatures and increased humidity. As a Californian I’m pretty well adjusted to the swings of El Niño and La Niña, but even this winter has been milder than I’ve ever experienced in my life (30 years isn’t a long monitor, but still).

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago

There's a lot of variation in weather, and different extremes. It's just really hard to say concretely, this El Nino is worse bcz of climate change. Although, I was talking to my partner about this very thing (and she does climate adaptation work), and she said off record most climate scientists collectively will say that this El Nino has been worse bcz of climate change.

But, really, without data in a few years, we can't definitely say.

[-] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

Yeah, until the wolf bites you, you really don't know what he's going to do. Maybe he's growing and snarling and running towards ya, but it's not conclusive. It's best to wait and gather more data.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

That's how science works dude. You can't say something is for sure happening without conclusive data.

[-] zaphod@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Just jumping in to caution: no, science rarely ends up with truly definitive, conclusive data. A ton of science, particularly climate science, is all about preponderance of evidence.

It may seem nitpicky, but it's this precise misunderstanding that has led a lot of people to reject climate science, evolution, etc. "Well you can't prove it so my crackpot theory is just as good as yours."

So how much of what happened in 2023 is broader AGW and how much is El Nino? It's hard to say. But we can absolutely say AGW has almost certainly made a strong El Nino year even more severe.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

This is very true. Science is shades of grey, not concrete right/wrong answers.

[-] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

I agree with you there. What I'm trying to say is that we, unfortunately, have to act in parallel to data gathering. Obviously this means we risk making bad choices, or making the data harder to read. That's our lot in life though. If we just sit still and gather data all our lives we'll get eaten by catastrophe.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I'm not saying we shouldn't address climate change right now. Not even sort of, I am very alarmed by what's happening, and what we already do know. The data gathering I'm talking about is for the science part, not for the action part.

We should be 330 million Americans in Washington DC right now (or wherever you live) demanding climate action right now. Unfortunately, that's just not going to happen.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago

You can also see it the other way around, that the previous 5 years appeared somewhat colder than where climate change would put them, because they were in La Niña.

The global heating from climate change is so strong that La Niña is hardly a dip anymore. It's pretty much just a plateau now, at temperatures slightly below the previous El Niño year:

[-] jimbo@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Okay, but the graphic includes those previous El Nino years and none of them come close to last year.

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