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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

People who claim that they did the fucking reading: Imperialism didn't exist until capitalism. Lenin said so.

Lenin in that book that everyone claimed to have fucking read:

Colonial policy and imperialism existed before the latest stage of capitalism, and even before capitalism. Rome, founded on slavery, pursued a colonial policy and practised imperialism. But “general” disquisitions on imperialism, which ignore, or put into the background, the fundamental difference between socio-economic formations, inevitably turn into the most vapid banality or bragging, like the comparison: “Greater Rome and Greater Britain.” 5 Even the capitalist colonial policy of previous stages of capitalism is essentially different from the colonial policy of finance capital.

Ie imperialism existed before capitalism but obviously looks different under modes of production different from capitalism just like every other facet of society. Way to expose yourself for not actually reading the text lmao

[-] Moonworm@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

But “general” disquisitions on imperialism, which ignore, or put into the background, the fundamental difference between socio-economic formations, inevitably turn into the most vapid banality or bragging

[-] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

Just the fact that the interview in question has a professor of medieval middle eastern studies say “you could argue…., but we will save that debate for another day” And that some poster is like “YOU CAN NEVER ARGUE THAT YOU IDIOT” reminds me that even the left is full of people that have no respect for experience or even conversation.

[-] Grimble@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago

I genuinely feel that some people get frustrated seeing too much cooperation in a discussion and have to throw a wrench in it somehow. Guess it's a selfish instinct most contrarians have.

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

everyone on the internet is a dumb asshole until proven otherwise, regardless of their politics

Death to America

[-] Tychoxii@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago

just more proof words are reactionary

monke-return

[-] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

Umm, excuse me did you just call Rome an "Empire?" As if it was doing an "imperialism?" Acktually, it doesn't fit this specific definition of "imperialism" I'm using, therefore QED ergo it wasn't nerd

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

Ontology was a mistake - more and more people are saying it!

[-] Grimble@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

It's how you view the natural world when you've been raised on a diet of cartoons and deterministic psychiatry

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

What if we had brontology and it was just for the fellas?

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

I prefer Lenin's definition of imperialism

[-] featured@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

Lenin’s definition is imperialism in the capitalist era. Prior periods of development had similar phenomena of groups invading others to exploit them for labor, resources, and wealth and send those exploits back to some core area. I think it’s fair to use the colloquial form of the word when analyzing those events

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

I'm always waiting on the sidelines desperately hoping for the chance to yell, "mercantilism!"

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

liberals already think "imperalism is when war" and I'm not going to muddy the word to help them

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

Conquering neighbors to establish relationships of tribute was extremely common across the world during the medieval period. Do we call that tribute a part of imperialism?

[-] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

are we just posting obvious facts itt?

[-] commiespammer@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

But weren't the places being invaded roughly as powerful as the crusading countries at the time? Doesn't Imperialism have to be a higher power attacking a lower one?

[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

How far back does it go? Arabs, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Akkadians?

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It probably goes back to the Neolithic Revolution, although the first cities (Çatalhöyük for instance) appear to have been classless. Expropriation comes in many different flavors (different modes of production), but it's always present whenever class society is present. "The first slavery was the slavery of women." It probably begins with the invention of writing, which was itself invented to keep track of all the stuff belonging to the Sumerian ruling class.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

Wrong, it was invented to rant about crooked copper merchants

[-] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

trump-kubrick-stare These copper merchants...folks, these copper merchants are not nice people. They're crooked liars. They're so crooked that we had to invent writing just so we could warn everyone about these not very nice people. They say we're in a Neolithic era, but all I see is hard working people being cheated when they go to buy copper. Nothing new there. Joe Biden loves these crooked people. Copper Joe loves them. He loves them!

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

when the first parasite desided that someone elses active labour belongs to him and formulated a narrative for that..

[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

Let's go with Sargon.

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

wasn't the crusades just some exercise in idealism where they sent a bunch of literal children into the Levant and they got BTFO

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