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HP sued (again) for blocking third-party ink from printers, accused of monopoly::Suit seeks injunction blocking HP from bricking printers using third-party ink.

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[-] frunch@lemmy.world 60 points 2 years ago

Perhaps they'll be fined 1/4 day's profits and carry on like nothing happened ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Bingo. The fines for these behemoths are pathetic. “I know what will work, let’s shake them down for their lunch money!”

[-] xektop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

What could work is to impose a daily progressing fine until the firmware change Is reversed and 3rd party ink Is allowed again.

[-] andallthat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

printing all that paper in order to sue them probably ended up costing more than their fine

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine if you bought Ford and could only fill it up at Ford endorsed gas stations.

[-] Iampossiblyatwork@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Delete this before a Ford Exec reads this.

[-] PinkPanther@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

Don't worry, they'd have to geoblock the tank lid, and they don't know where your car is. Oh, wait...

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Tesla did that essentially with their proprietary charging. Then they essentially strongarmed other companies into adopting their standard.

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Only in the us afaik. In the eu this didnt fly. We use menekes type 2 and ccs2, including all teslas.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I was under the impression that their standard was objectively better than alternatives, so that was a net positive?

[-] Silentiea@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are upsides and downsides to it vs other standards, but the main point was that it's a closed standard that no one else was allowed to use (until recently), and so Tesla drivers had to go to Tesla charging stations, not the ones run by other companies or individuals

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[-] ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I hate to side with ElMo, but didn't that happen because they kick started the EV car wave? And apparently their solution was also the better option, or something to that effect.

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I think Nikolai Tesla did that a really long time ago.

[-] ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
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I'm vomiting at the idea because while it sounds silly, I have to remember kuerig convinced everyone that coffee pods were a better alternative then tried to lock it down so only official kuerig pods worked.

[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

HP is a dead company. Like a zombie that doesn't know it's state. Die already!

HP's consumer division certainly is. Their computers are buttgarbage and their printers are outright scams at this point. My understanding though is they make shit like MRI machines....yeah the company is a zombie.

[-] neclimdul@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That's probably HPE. The companies split a while back

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[-] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

According to a 90s article I linked deeper in this thread, the medical arm split off from the company in 1999.

[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I wonder what the people who work there are like

[-] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I get what you're saying, but the majority of them are probably fine humans just trying to make a living

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

Is there a place to check and compare printers in respect to this?

I'm currently looking for a printer replacement and don't want to lock myself to printers like these. I know to stay away from HP as it looks like they are the biggest offender. I know that brother generally was good, but I'm not sure if that still holds true.

[-] HejMedDig@feddit.dk 49 points 2 years ago
[-] omgitsaheadcrab@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago
[-] HejMedDig@feddit.dk 7 points 2 years ago

Yeah, The Verge apparently is fed up with printers

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Except for the Brother printer everyone has.

[-] Senshi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Which is fine

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

This is the way.

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[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I have a Epson Eco tank printer that you just fill the tanks. There is no way for them to prevent you from using any ink you want.

[-] Kanzar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah those CISS style ones are awesome, really glad Epson embraced it after years of customers using 3rd party CISS.

If I were to get an inkjet again (I have a bw brother laser MFC), it'd definitely be a ciss.

[-] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago

Can HP go fucking bancrupt already?

[-] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago

A lot of things get hacked or tweaked. People make CNC machines out of random motors. I wish someone makes an open source paper printer.

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

No one would buy it. That's the reality.

Their are two customers for printers businesses that need high reliability and high volume. They will pay more for this, if it's cost effective in the long term. An open source solution wouldn't be much cheaper, a business supplying servicing and repairs are still needed. The other are consumers that want something that appears cheap and are too ignorant to asses long term cost. They are served by budget printers sold for a loss. That loss is made up for in by selling them ink that is exorbitantly marked up.

An open source solution cant be sold for a loss, if the carriages are also open source. Only people ideologically in favour of open source solutions and those that do the maths to estimate long term value of printers.

Brother laser printers are good value per print. But they cost much more for less features.

[-] executive_chicken@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Get a Brother laser printer and never look back

[-] fxt_ryknow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Just to add to this... I rarely print anything, but my wife (an elementary school teacher) prints all kinds of stuff! We picked up an eco tank printer from Epson. We've had it now for a coupe years and it's been fantastic! We would replace ink cartridges a few times a year previously.. Where as with the eco tank we do about once a year. The print quality has held up, and it's just been a good little work horse for her!

[-] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Monopoly 🙄

What a stupid fucking way to go after HP.

[-] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

If they cannot be trusted to compete fairly in the market, they should not compete in the market. Dissolve them, nationalize them, I don't care. We can't afford this bad behavior any more.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


HP has used its "Dynamic Security" firmware updates to "create a monopoly" of replacement printer ink cartridges, a lawsuit filed against the company on January 5 claims.

Additionally, the lawsuit highlights the fact that the use of non-HP ink cartridges doesn't break HP's printer warranty.

Last month, HP CFO Marie Myers praised the company's movement from transactional models to forcing customers into continuous buys through offerings like Instant Ink, HP's monthly ink subscription program.

The new lawsuit claims that HP's firmware updates forced customers to buy HP-brand ink that costs more than competitors.

When reached for comment, Peggy Wedgworth, a senior partner at the Milberg law firm and one of the lawyers representing the plaintiffs in this case, told Ars Technica:

The lawsuit accuses HP of raising prices on its ink "in the same time period" that it issued its late 2022 and early 2023 firmware updates, which "create[d] a monopoly in the aftermarket for replacement cartridges, permitting [HP] to raise prices without fear of being undercut by competitors.


The original article contains 642 words, the summary contains 169 words. Saved 74%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

HP is a failed capitalistic experiment.

[-] yuriy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I was able to install old firmware on an HP printer and circumvent the ink lockout. It’s highly dependant on when your particular printer was made, but it is an option. Just make sure you also turn off all the auto update options.

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