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Are The Amish Bourgeoisie? (upload.wikimedia.org)

What about Amish Butter?

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[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

I am once again asking leftists to not use "bourgeois" as a blanket term for all bad things. The bourgeoisie is bad, but that doesn't mean all things that are bad are therefore bourgeois. The bourgeoisie is specifically the social class that owns the means of production under capitalism

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Missing my bus in the morning is bourgeoisie

[-] AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

So you would say that amish butter is bourgeoisie AND bad?

I use it because I think it's easier than stick butter but if it's anti-communist I'll switch.

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

It's good butter folks

[-] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Amish comes from the Anabaptist movement during the 30 years war and after, they tried to opt out of capitalism and got fucking merced over and over until eventually they just moved to the new world. They believed in the real force of evil capitalism is and was, as one Matt Christman called it the Demiurge or Satan, and tried to actually live the way Jesus and the Bible said to - communally, loving their neighbours, and peacefully. And for that they were oppressed and killed

Now modern ones still ended up getting their social relations fucked up by capitalism because there is no escape except revolution so yeah they're fucked up now

[-] Flyberius@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I read this series of books called Shardlake, about a lawyer in Henry VIII's court. The last two or three books increasingly feature anabaptists and their hopes to live as Jesus intended, holding all goods in common. It is treated quite sympathetically, and Shardlake, who is increasingly alienated by the status quo as the books progress, finds himself sympathising with them more and more. Unfortunately the author seems to have been very sick over the last few years, so I don't know if he will ever finish the series.

Anyway, it was pleasant to see some revolutionary struggle in those books as it was totally unexpected.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

loving their neighbors and beating their wives, fuck the amish

[-] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago
[-] buh@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

bourgeoisie and the pussycats

[-] bubbalu@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

The amish are a strange feudal holdout.

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I would say they're not feudal since they don't practice serfdom or serve under a living monarch. They are in fact anabaptists who have their origins in the early protestant reformation. What made anabaptists unique when they first came about was their rather subversive (for the time) idea that baptizing infants was meaningless and one was only truly Christian if they consented to baptism once they were old enough to know what baptism meant. If anything, I would say the protestant reformation was part of the larger geopolitical shift in Europe that led from from feudalism to Capitalism, but I wouldn't characterize being Amish as inherently "feudal" or "capitalist." They are deeply religious and communal and live an agrarian and patriarchal lifestyle, which is aesthetically similar to feudalism in many ways, but is not feudal in the economic sense that Marx uses the term when describing the feudal mode of production.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

I don't think so? They're very weird though, but i think they're isolated enough from any mainstream politics to not really count. They're so confined to their won weird little thing I can't see them having a role in broader politics.

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

There are business owners among the Amish, but their communal mode of living makes their production practices resemble artisanship more than anything.

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