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[-] entropicshart@sh.itjust.works 25 points 9 months ago

Here is something really bad going on with this person who has their literal freedom threatened, but let me twist this into why this is Elons fault.

IDGAF about Elon or anything he touches, but the mental gymnastics in this are worthy of a Olympic gold medal

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 15 points 9 months ago

The argument is that by making Twitter a far right cesspool, Musk had made it more difficult for non-western dissidents to reach an international audience. Certainly arguable but not entirely wrong.

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 9 months ago

Yeah, with that headline I am not very inclined to read this.

[-] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Yeah, the first 2/3rds of the article covering Naomi Wu was worth a read, but that last 1/3rd....... I get her argument, but she should have left that out to focus just on Naomi.

[-] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago

This is something that Naomi had even talked about previously, how Western media only cared about the experience of people living in China when it could suit their narrative, and didn't want anything to do with them when it didn't.

[-] Thann@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

Elon sucks, but its not his fault that China disappears dissidents

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago

The theory is that you can get away with a bit more in China if you have a big western audience. She had a fairly big one and that was protecting her, but the audience is fickle (made more fickle by Musk ruining Twitter) and once her audience declined, she lost that protection.

I guess the real lesson is that if you're Chinese and develop a Western audience, us that to escape China. Don't stay behind in China because your big audience is painting a target on your back, and eventually the Chinese authorities are going to ruin your life.

As an aside, did anybody else find her vibe really offputting? I liked her content, but her enormous fake boobs and skimpy outfits were a distraction from otherwise interesting content. If I found a video of hers interesting, it made me not want to share that with anybody because they'd think I was watching it because of her body. I'm all for women's empowerment, if someone wants to look and feel sexy that's great. But, with her stuff, it was so extreme that it felt like exploitation. Maybe she was exploiting herself, but it still felt icky.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 9 months ago

No, because I'm not a 12 year old boy who freaks out every time he sees a set of tits. She can dress however she wants, it has nothing to do with the quality of her content.

[-] wahming 2 points 9 months ago

She released a video at some point explaining WHY she looked and dressed that way. It was an interesting PoV, and totally unrelated to her hobby as maker and influencer.

I guess the real lesson is that if you’re Chinese and develop a Western audience, us that to escape China. Don’t stay behind in China because your big audience is painting a target on your back, and eventually the Chinese authorities are going to ruin your life.

She couldn't, her SO was Uighur and couldn't get permission to leave.

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

She has a video explaining how she became the way she is that address that. Iirc she was raised as a boy by her parents which was one of the major contributing factors.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago

That might explain the ridiculous boobs, but not why she still chooses to wear incredibly skimpy outfits in her videos.

[-] Chriswild@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Because it's her body and she can do whatever she wants with it.

[-] Steve@communick.news 0 points 9 months ago

Being able isn't a reason to actually do something.
A reason would be "Because I feel like it"

[-] bear@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 months ago

"Because I feel like it."

So in other words, because she wants to? As in, "because it's her body and she can do whatever she wants with it"?

[-] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"because I feel like it" is a good enough reason to give a stranger.

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

HELLO SIR RANDOM INTERNET USER SIR

I AM HERE TO GIVE YOU MY DAILY CLOTHING JUSTIFICATION REPORT

AS WE ALL KNOW WE ALL HAVE TO JUSTIFY OUR CLOTHING CHOICES TO YOU SIR

[-] Steve@communick.news 0 points 9 months ago

Reasons and justifications are different, and largely unrelated.

Nobody was talking about justifying anything, just the reason.

I never actually asked for a reason. I only pointed out that ability isn't a reason.

You might find more productive meaningful exchanges, when you engage with actual people rather than your own straw men.

But maybe meaningful dialogue isn't important to you. In which case I have nothing more to say.

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"I didn't say that I needed a reason I just complained that ability isn't a reason so basically I said fuck all"

You just seem to be mad that people are taking your idiotic contrarianism to it's logical conclusion.

You might find more productive meaningful exchanges, when you stand by what you're saying instead of crying.

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 11 points 9 months ago

I really hope we'll see her again some time.

[-] yuki2501@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I read a Twitter post of hers a few years ago where she was extremely apologetic towards China, saying that Americans listened to a lot of propaganda and so on. Now I'm starting to wonder if it was really her who made that twitter post.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We now understand the inherent value of a social media platform. We have yet to figure out how to build a space that doesn't hand control over to a private entity that only has profit in mind.

Sorry, we can't yet place the blame solely on the billionaires who own the platforms. We have to create safe heavens away from moneyed interests than protect and maintain them.

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago
  1. I agree Naomi Wu is a force for good
  2. Elon Musk sucks
  3. This article does not actually establish any meaningful blame for Elon Musk in Naomi Wu's plight.

Sorry, yes Elon Musk is the reason Twitter is shitting itself to death, but that doesn't make Elon the main person responsible for Naomi's problems. It's probably not even top 10. It's weird to call him out in this.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

If you can't understand the article: musk is blamed for making twitter shit and abandoned. Wu was on twitter, and she said it was a platform where she could be seen and supported, and this audience was protecting her, because a famous person would not disappear without it making noise.

It is an indirect responsibility, but a big one nonetheless.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Wu’s activity on Twitter declined well before Musk took over ownership.

[-] ShindangAp@lotide.fbxl.net 1 points 9 months ago

It's interesting to think that if Wu had more love in the West that the Chinese authorities would have been more slow to crackdown on her...

I think we all remember back in 2017 or so when the Hong Kong protests were at the forefront of everyone's mind and, still, the crackdown continued, and the resistance was crushed.

And what has China's response to the popularity of the Ukraine war been? To question its generally positive relations with Russia? No, not at all. China shores up its own front against Taiwan and its trade with Russia is growing exponentially. BRICS gets stronger.

China will not bow to popular Western opinion no matter what. Blaming Musk for this is pretty asinine.

[-] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 0 points 9 months ago

I read the whole thing and then saw that she's continuing to prop up the same platform and same platform model she blames. Make it make sense.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Iirc MakerMuse mentioned her disappearance in a video quite a while ago. I don't understand the article well, has she resurfaced silenced or is she still missing?

Wasn't a great fan of Naomi's outfits but she made great videos. With the Amber B1 robot arm she was the only one calling out the kickstarter company was a bit sketchy and not just blind advertising it.

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