“Law and Order” says the party voting for guy with 2 impeachments, 70+ indictments, and being charged for treason.
Fuck these shitbags
I will keep saying this like a broken record:
"Law and order" is a dogwhistle that means "oppress minorities"
“I do not believe we have to choose between law and order and racial justice in America,” Biden said in a speech this week. “We can have both.”
At the apex of the civil rights movement, ... “Law and order” was “a strategy for reaching suburban voters without having to say the ugly part [talking about race] out loud,” says Leah Wright-Rigueur, a political historian and public policy professor at Harvard University. Source
Except from above:
“Law and order” might sound simple, a 1968 TIME cover story on the campaign pointed out, but to some it was “a shorthand message promising repression of the black community”—and to that community, it was “a bleak warning that worse times may be coming.”
Pass it on.
Sounds about right.
Just like States Rights meaning "WE get to decide how to oppress our minorities, not the government."
They can still call themselves that, because no matter what happens to "their guy" it will NEVER be "real." It will always be "the deep state" or "liberal biased judges" or "fake Republicans that are really Democrats."
I'll yell this from the rooftops every goddamn chance I get:
WE HAVE A GIGANTIC PROPAGANDA PROBLEM!
Why are they wearing masks now? Couldn't do it in 2020?
You see, the masks they told us to wear in 2020 weren't "patriotic." The masks they wear today protect "freedom." I hope I've cleared that up for you.
TLDR the right is full of shit.
People are desperate, angry, and feel like they have nothing to lose. Because regardless of who is in office, they never help. And people who feel.like they have nothing to lose, are going to act like they have nothing to lose.
Soooooooo many of our issues could be solved with the bare minimum social systems in every other developed country
Billy Bob ain't going to try and overthrow the government if he feels the government is looking out for him, even if he's still a racist piece of shit, he's now got something to lose if he fucks around.
Just like with other terrorists, the best way to fight them is figure out why people are joining their organization and then fix whatever issue makes people do it. It's a lot easier to prevent an extremist than to fix one after
It's not that simple. Racist folks in America don't care they are poor as long as minorities are even poorer. That's a huge part of Republican politics, that's why they vote for Trump. Trump doesn't promise them they will have better lives. It's all racist dog whistles promising them they will still be on top, they will be the 'better' race. That's why they oppose all sensible policies, because they will try to fix inequality and inequality is what they want.
And I don't think there's a simple fix for this. Many countries have this issue (UK, France) and the more progressive policies you try to push there the stronger the push back is. In the end it usually goes farther right until something terrible happens...
This needs to be repeated. It sounds ludicrous that someone could be so petty and cruel, but it's true. Conservative politics is the ideology of natural hierarchies. It doesn't matter how bad white folks have it, as long as those damn black folks can't use the same drinking fountain as them!
People are desperate, angry, and feel like they have nothing to lose. Because regardless of who is in office, they never help.
We have ONE party that loves and needs division and desperation so they block anything that makes lives easier. The GOP needs riled up, angry people to get elected to "fix things" - that is why nothing changes - witness their immigration strategy.
Yeah, but it's not just racist hillbillies that feel like they have nothing to lose...
That's a lot of Americans these days. And they make up a lot of the 1/3 that don't vote.
So the other party could sweep elections for decades if they start doing all they can.
FDR only lost two states in 1936. Because people trusted FDR to actually try and help them.
Even tho his push for universal healthcare for stopped by moderate Dems, he still kept getting elected. Because just trying is enough for American voters
It's a lot easier to prevent an extremist than to fix one after
Yes it is.
But it takes time to get positive results, and far too many people are too short sighted to do anything when the "return on investment" is a generation away.
Every time I've seen those type of program started, the following government cuts them and claims it was a waste of money because it hasn't shown results yet, even though it's only been a year and you can't make signifignat change to people's lives that quickly.
It's not a generation away tho...
It's not like extremism sits off to the side like a 5gallon bucket and once it's full someone knocks it over.
It's like a garden hose. Turn the faucet down even a little has an immediate effect because it's adding less water immediately.
Every day we lose an American to this extremist shit. Even publicly trying to fix shit and failing would have an immediate effect.
You're other point has to deal with alternating parties.
If we went back to FDR style Dems that consistently put in work to help Americans, Republicans wouldn't be winning anything.
FDR only lost two states in 1936, it's incredibly effective, we just stopped doing it.
I agree with you. It's a catch 22 it though. When you live in a state run by shit birds, they cut off the fed from helping you in every way they can, meanwhile holding their little town hall events and talking to press saying stuff like: ‘the fed doesn't care about American citizens, they're too busy sending aid to [x country] to fix their problems’ and with the very same breath saying how cool it is that they conned the left into giving their state the most funding this year, but the media doesn't hold them accountable anymore and further push the issue "for fear of losing access" to them. The big secret, and the key to the issue in my opinion, is that the media is bought by billionaires who are no longer accountable to reality when reporting the news, the regulatory bodies in this country have been eroded to shit by capitalists, the now obligatory talking point: Citizens United, and that nobody is going to swoop in to save this awful mess from imploding into fascism any time soon. You all need to take personal safety measures; arm yourselves, and train with your weapons in whatever way you can safely afford. These fuckers are coming for us all, and they'll have the full support of a dictatorship soon enough, if we aren't able to get out the vote. UNITE!
That sounds a lot like socialism and we can't have that commie trash here!
Murica!
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The last time it got close to this bad, it ended up in the Oklahoma City Bombing.
What's going to happen this time?
It’s not something that’s always in the forefront of my thoughts, but I’ve been expecting something like that since qanon took off
Before the OKC there was Ruby Ridge Massacre and Branch Davidian Cult Massacre which one could say led directly to the retaliation against the FBI.
Until the javkboots bomb a whole city block like the MoVE bombing in Philly 1985, I’ll say things are pretty tame comparatively.
God damn, imagine if a bunch of black people did what the Proud Boys say and do. The police would probably bust out another improvised airstrike.
Or implement gun control to help imprison group leaders and breakup black "radical" groups.
Cough Ronald Reagan cough
I get what you're saying and I wonder also. But at the same time, the terrorism has been happening; look at all the racially motivated attacks we've seen since 2016.
I expect more. But to your point i wouldn't be surprised to see another major act of domestic terrorism on par with the Oklahoma City Bombing.
I feel like things are way, way worse than they were back then. Way worse than it's been since the civil rights era.
I see "anti-government" and "against government tyranny" in this story a lot, but these people are NOT anti-government. They're very pro-government, as long as the government uses its power to enforce their beliefs. They're very willing to use the power of government to enforce the laws as they see them, and ignore the laws they don't like.
The only ones to blame for the rise of fascism are the fascists. They choose to support an ideology of bigotry and genocide. They choose to act that way.
All you're doing is enabling them by making them out to look like victims when they are anything but.
Remember, we outnumber these cunts.
But do we out-gun them?
I don't think any civilians should be able to own firearms, but those MAGA cunts own them and you can be damn sure I'm not going to let them get one up on me.
Everyone, buy a gun, train thoroughly, and don't let these assholes bully us into letting them run the country.
Unfortunately this is the way.
This isn't a game, the police will not protect us, that's been shown. They'll happily club an old lady to the ground and shoot you in the face with rubber bullets if you get near them. I tell my friends as often as I can now is the time. Get a gun or two (a long one a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic medic training (you just need to know how to stablize somebody). Start networking with like-minded people around you. Learn how to rely on yourself and your community. The rightwing wants to install a theocracy in the U.S. in disregard of whatever personal freedoms you hold dear and they're very close to accomplishing it.
I always think it's funny how these hypocratic douchbags will wear masks in public to prevent people from recognizing them but wont wear one to save their neighbors life.
I also think it's funny how they claimed having military and police joining the groups that they know what they're doing, when these people spend their lives being told exactly what to do, how to do it, and what to think about it.
Last note, looked this one up just to be double sure, how they got a guy with the name Mizrahi to join a white power hate group when that name has origins rooted Jewish and Israeli cultures is beyond me. How people can be convinced to go against their own best interest is beyond me.
Reminds me of the movie easy rider, and that movie was made in the sixties but its still so relevant, every time people start trying to live freely
“Oh no. What you represent to them is freedom.”
“What the hell’s wrong with freedom, man? That’s what it’s all about.”
“Oh yeah, that’s right, that’s what it’s all about, all right. But talkin’ about it and bein’ it – that’s two different things. I mean, it’s real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. ‘Course, don’t ever tell anybody that they’re not free ‘cause then they’re gonna get real busy killin’ and maimin’ to prove to you that they are. Oh yeah, they’re gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom, but they see a free individual, it’s gonna scare ‘em.”
“Mmmm, well, that don’t make ‘em runnin’ scared.”
“No, it makes ‘em dangerous.”Law and order? So they also want Trump in prison?
As a Democrat from upstate NY let me tell you why the rural areas are dark red: NYC seems to be all that matters.
At least 50% of NY's population lives within 50 miles of NYC and I wouldn't be surprised to find out its closer to 65% or 70%. Of course it gets the most attention. I get why people living outside that area would be upset but they cant be surprised.
You see the same thing in every state with a large metro area. There's always griping from western and central MA but the fact is 75% of the population lives in the Boston metro area.
The issue, addressed in the article, is that these rural areas used to have industry that gave people a sense of purpose. Now the choices are basically move to a city, die of a heroin overdose, or join a right wing militia. We need to give these people something to do that's beneficial and where they feel they're contributing to their communities, otherwise, they're going to be wooed by groups with ulterior motives that dress their goals up in rhetoric of service and cohesion.
its the same on the other coast... Seattle and the i5 area are what keep Washington blue. There are some deep red parts of Washington state and its frightening. As someone that looks like my father (Anglo Saxon) but identifies with my mother (Lakota), it is a surreal experience sometimes. People are fucking crazy and the people who think they are powerful (the deep red) because they are loud are going to have a very rude awakening if there is a violent revolution. They do not have the numbers to repel an angry populace that is fleeing the cities.
That's the entire planet. Metropolitan places are metropolitan. Homogeneous places are filled with ignorance and prejudice.
Absolute dumbasses. The lowest achievers from high school, never left town, and signed up for Facebook one day, and now here we are.
In my state, claiming to be part of a militia, unless you've been specifically called up by the Governor, or activated by the feds somehow or another, is a felony.
These groups needs to be considered terrorists, their assets seized, and their presence made illegal. Their goal is the violent oppression of minorities in violation of the Constitution.
Long time ago the Supreme Court said advocating to overthrow the government is protected First Amendment speech, and that made sense when I learned about it but now I think it was a mistake, said from a place of great comfort.
So funny, the proud boys guy was of Mexican descent, the guy in this article seems of middle eastern descent, can they really be this dumb and support white supremacy ideology?
Years ago I dated someone who lived in upstate New York. Her neighbor flew a Confederate flag. And also poisoned neighborhood cats.
post 2024 election, J6 2 electric boogaloo succeeds, some lawmakers are dead, others tied up
Enlightened centrists: Come on guys we can't take back the capital they're just sad about their local economy yeah they took congress but yall being mean and calling for them to be forcibly arrested is so much worse!
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