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Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo

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[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 132 points 10 months ago

The fuck is crying about biden failing to enforce immigration policy and secure the border but yet at the same time the republican party refused to agree on finding a solution with Dems. This crippled fuck is trying to gaslight us.

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago

Gaslight.

Obstruct.

Project.

Every accusation is a confession. Every argument is based on a false reality.

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Was the shot at Abbott's disability really necessary? He's an awful enough person that surely you can find something else to slam besides that

[-] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

Nah. Tolerance and respect is a peace treaty, and he violates it every time he opens his mouth or holds a pen. He doesn't get to benefit from the same grace he maliciously refuses to give others.

He's the only guy in a wheelchair I'd advocate for pushing the damn thing over and running away.

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Why do you care? He's a piece of shit.

[-] chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 10 months ago
[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

This expresses what I meant better than I could have said. Thanks

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 113 points 10 months ago

Article 1, clause 10, section 3:

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Abbott is literally calling these migrants an invasion force, like an army or something, looking to overthrow the government. I think he's stretching things there. Texas is not getting invaded, at least in the sense that the clause refers to.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm on the side of the migrants. Texas needs a major change. I wish them luck with their takeover.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Don't they just keep kidnapping them and busing them elsewhere?

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[-] baronvonj@lemmy.world 111 points 10 months ago

But the National Guard is under Federal chain of command, so Pentagon can activate the Texas National Guard right out from under Abbott. Which honestly is probably exactly what Abbott wants so he can roll around whinging about the big mean Federal government usurping the state's resources.

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[-] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 83 points 10 months ago

Mr Abbott further invoked his own state’s “constitutional authority to defend and protect itself” for continuing to block federal agents from the border.

“That authority is the supreme law of the land and supersedes any federal statutes to the contrary,” he added.

Source

I’m sorry, what?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 56 points 10 months ago

I think he's calling Texas law 'the supreme law of the land.'

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 77 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Motherfucker is essentially claiming Sovereign Citizen.

[-] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

I don’t think I saw him spin around three times with his eyes crossed. He is still under normal law.

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago

The immigrants were traveling, your honor.

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[-] ThrowawayInTheYear23@lemmy.world 73 points 10 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago

This is bullshit posturing. He is a coward and he will back down. I don't buy this will lead to civil war for a minute. Especially not when they could get Trump in office legitimately.

[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago

Yeah but wouldn't be great if they get abbot for sedition too.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

Legitimately? That guy can't legitimately be anywhere but prison after using fake electors. If we say the president is immune, which is bs then he should be in prison for sharing classified information to non clearenced individuals and he has admitted to it on tape... Legitimately he has one place. Life in Prison, or the death penalty as an enemy of the state. Anyone who thinks Snowden is worse than Trump (which last I checked Snowden is listed as an enemy of the state, which did not require a conviction) is a fool.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

You know what I mean.

[-] rivermonster@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Burn it down, no reconstruction this time. That was one of the biggest mistakes post-civil war.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

He just wants Biden to federalize the national guard so he can whine about Biden being a dictator.
Let's hope he doesn't fuck up and get anyone killed while he's playing with fire.

[-] rivermonster@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago
[-] raynethackery@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

Sherman stopped too soon. He should have gone down to Austin and headed east then north until he hit D.C. He should have left no building standing and no crops growing. Then every confederate leader should have hanged by the neck until dead.

[-] BillSchofield@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I'm assuming that you have never lived in the rural South. The people who disproportionately suffer from the impact of the Civil War and reconstruction are poor and black.

I'm with you on hanging traitors, but a more devastated South would not have been good for anyone.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Well they let the rich white people keep power. Of course they legislated the burden onto other people, but it literally never had to be that way, it wasn't a foregone conclusion.

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

Still in the “fuck around and…” phase I guess.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

The people in charge of "find out" are Democrats. There is no "find out" phase.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 18 points 10 months ago

Reminder that Greg Abbott is a little piss baby.

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[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 16 points 10 months ago

This will last until a federal court says it's not an invasion.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

Abbott is already ignoring SCOTUS; what makes you think he'd listen to a court's definition of "invasion"?

[-] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The point is if Abbott is really going to stick this whole path.

Abbott is going to do what he's going to do. He's just digging a hole deeper and deeper for himself and for his State.

Abbott's statement indicates that the President is violating (insert a lot of stuff) but Abbott has not made that argument successfully in court. The courts have not sided with him on this point. Which is why he's trying to do this unilateral stuff and mentioning "compact" and what have you. None of it has legal standing and he knows it.

Good example in his citation of Arizona v. United States, Abbott is not quoting the majority opinion. He is quoting the dissenting opinion, you know the one that the Court as a whole DID NOT go with. And he's using Scalia's conceptualization of Art. I § 10 C. 3 which no one else on the Court agreed with. Abbott is using legal arguments that are not legal arguments, they are the opinion of a single justice. That's how incredibly shoddy the ground is on which he is placing his argument. The Governor of Texas is just randomly selecting opinions from Justices, and ones that were not the majority opinion, to make his case.

Even more so, Ted Cruz is in the Senate trying to get a bill passed that will legitimize some of what Abbott is doing. Abbott's current argument would be like him pointing to that bill and saying "Well Congress purposed it! It didn't pass and become law, but they purposed it, so I'm allowed to do (insert whatever)." Like he talks a lot of law in his statement, but none of it is actual legal arguments. That really the thing I think a lot of people are forgetting here. Abbott for lack of a better term, it quite literally just yanking shit form his ass and calling it law of the land.

The United States is fully aware that Texas has no leg to stand on, so the US is more than willing to give Texas as much rope as they feel they need to hang themselves with. The litigation costs are already skyrocketing for Texas and I guess Abbott and Texas as a whole is feeling okay to spend another billion losing in court.

So Abbott can continue to play this game if he feels so inclined, but it's all losses and litigation bills up ahead. He doesn't have a legal argument and the fact that Senator Cruz is trying so hard to "help him out" is evidence that Abbott has nothing.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 9 points 10 months ago

14th amendment. He can obey the court, or he can be declared an insurrectionist, and unqualified to hold any public office.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Jokes on you. He's already unqualified to hold any public office.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Yes, but not yet legally so. If we're lucky, on the other hand...

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Have you met our court system?

We ignored the ferdalist society for too long and theyve captured wide swaths of our judicial system.

Even if he loses every step of the way up to the SC, you really think the SC won't go along with this?

[-] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

He already lost at the Supreme Court. This is his declaration that he's ignoring that.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

What a fucking asshole. I'm so tired of the cons.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 9 points 10 months ago
[-] Catma@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Texit.

FTFY

[-] Ruorc@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Abbot is full of shit, as always.

From his letter:

Biden has ignored Texas demand that he perform his constitutional duties...thosnrefusalbtonprotect the States has inflicted unprecedented harm on the People alll across the United States>

No proof of damage except the 'I dont like brown people' that's typical of republicans. I don't recall Texas saying shit when Trump abandoned his constitutional duties to promote the general welfare of the public and let large swaths of Americans die to covid, just because he didn't want to hurt his election chances. Pretty sure that's precedent, though Abbot claims Biden's damage is unprecedented.

This whole document is to rattle supporters into a frenzy. Fuck Abbot.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 10 months ago

kinda hope these fucking assholes bring about the end of the american empire already

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Im sure theres a stronly worded letter coming his way!

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