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submitted 9 months ago by girlfreddy@lemmy.ca to c/world@lemmy.world

Justice Amanda Yip lifted the reporting restrictions on naming the killers of 16-year-old Brianna Ghey. They were identified at Manchester Crown Court as Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe.

The horrific murder shocked the nation. Ghey was stabbed with a hunting knife 28 times in her head, neck, chest and back in broad daylight after being lured to a park in the town of Warrington on Feb. 11, 2023.

Yip handed Ratcliffe and Jenkinson a mandatory life sentence, and ordered them to serve a minimum term of 20 and 22 years, respectively, before they could be eligible for parole. If they had been adults — over the age of 18 — they would have faced much longer minimum terms. They will be transferred to adult prisons when they turn 18. Neither showed no visible reaction on being sentenced.

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[-] Endorkend@kbin.social 133 points 9 months ago

The thing that hit me with sadness most (aside the horrible murder) is that when you see pictures of Brianna, her eyes are full of life and happiness.

And then you see pictures of these two, devoid of any spark. Dead inside.

[-] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 55 points 9 months ago

Well...those were mugshots taken after their arrests on murder charges... wouldn't it be even more disturbing if they were smiling and cheerful?

[-] UnfortunateDoorHinge@aussie.zone 39 points 9 months ago

Both apparently showed no sympathy during the trial. Denying they did it and accusing the other.

[-] TengoDosVacas@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago

Thats what conservatism does to people

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[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 96 points 9 months ago

The irony that next to each other, left to right or right to left, looks like before and after transition shots.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 months ago

I was trying to figure out which one was the victim...

[-] norbert@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago
[-] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the girl had been jealous that Brianna was prettier than she was, and the boy had loathingly fancied her.

[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 93 points 9 months ago

Fuck them

Good to see that they got a life sentence and not the usual "they're minors so they'll do some years in a community" bullshit that happens in my country

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 11 points 9 months ago

Minimum of only 20 years though before eligible for parole

[-] UnfortunateDoorHinge@aussie.zone 49 points 9 months ago

They're minors. In the UK and most of the developed world, you cannot give life without parole to a minor.

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 10 points 9 months ago

Idk I think people who murder a girl in cold blood shouldn't ever be allowed to participate in society, but that's just me.

[-] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 9 months ago

They only get out on parole if the board (or whatever the UK's equivalent is) believes they have learned a lesson and are safe to reenter society. If not then they stay until the next board meeting. I have a hard time imagining they would get out after 20 years for murder without the board being pretty damn sure they are no longer a danger to society.

As gross and heinous as these crimes are, I will never favor life-without-parole or the death penalty for minors.

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[-] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

20 years is a looooong time when you're 16. They've lost their entire young adulthood and then some

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[-] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 26 points 9 months ago

They'll be on licence for the rest of their lives following that though. The minimum term on a life sentence is just the custodial part.

[-] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 5 points 9 months ago

on licence. right, what's that, then? will they have any other sort of restrictions once they get out at minimum 36?

[-] irq0@infosec.pub 33 points 9 months ago

The 20 years is the minimum time they'll do in prison.

After the 20 years they'll be eligible for parole. If, and only if, the board decides that it's safe for them to be released will they do so.

If they are released they will be in license. This means they are subject to prison recall without trial should they pose any risk to the public. The license may also impose additional restrictions such as regular therapy appointments, restrictions on leaving the country etc. These conditions will be imposed for life. Breaking any of these restrictions would also result in a recall to prison.

If the parole board decides that it's not safe to release them, then they'll remain in prison. They may very well remain in prison for their entire life.

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[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

That's standard in the UK. Our justice system views rehabilitation as the ultimate goal, not punishment. They will serve this as a minimum, but will likely never see life outside of a cell based on their reaction to being sentenced.

Even after parole, their life will forever be scrutinised by law enforcement and medical examiners to determine their mental state. Anything that doesn't scream "normal member of society" puts them back in jail.

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[-] Mahonia@lemmy.world 68 points 9 months ago

Just so we're clear, this is the endgame of all of the propaganda against trans people. Many are culpable in this.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Oh most def. The Chris--conservatives will with no regrets murder y'all the moment they can. This was never about sports or bathrooms or dorms. This is about a segment of the population who thinks God wants them to kill the LGBT and said as much in the Bible.

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[-] gennygameshark@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

I'm sick and tired of violent extremism and the people profiteering from it being treated as "just another point of view" because that leads to this leads to these crimes being normalized.

It's hard enough being trans without being actively hunted by psychotic overzealous and cruel people. What can individuals possibly do in the face of such societal cruelty?

Something needs to change.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 43 points 9 months ago

were intelligent

planned for weeks

stabbed with a knife

I know the sadistic part is about enjoyment (probably the planning process too), but ...

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 9 months ago

Jeez and they were still teenagers.

No matter their age, they deserve lifetime prison. If they are able to murder at that age, they should be prosecuted as adults as well.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

I know some people want to pretend jokes are “just jokes”, but this is what one killer said about Brianna:

Also she has a dick lol

Why is that funny? It’s because of comedians like Chapelle that normalize making fun of something like this, when all they’re doing is not confronting why it makes them uncomfortable and punch down on an easy target. The same can be said of comedians making jokes about race, like Larry David and his jokes about Arabs, which can lead to normalizing a lot of the Palestinians are animals type rhetoric and normalize Genocidal policies.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe.

How come the media never mentions if they are Christian or not? Why hasn't the Pope condemned this act in Latin and English?

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago

What does the Pope have to do with the Anglican Church? Also what does it matter if they were religious or not?

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What does the Pope have to do with the Anglican Church?

They are all Christians.

Also what does it matter if they were religious or not?

Indeed. Makes you wonder why when there is a Muslim or an refugee or an immigrant murderer I hear so much about it. Media is full of stories today about an arrest of a refugee made in a center.

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ah, is that a common thing in the UK to bring up religion if the perp was Muslim?

The Pope does not represent the Anglican Church. It'd have to be the King of England speaking up.

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[-] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago

Only 6% of adults are practicing Christians in the UK. It’s statistically unlikely this has anything to do with religion.

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[-] paradiso@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

What does that have to do with anything?

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 25 points 9 months ago

it's satire about how if a muslim or an immigrant commits a crime, everyone expects imams or community leaders of that culture to comment publicly or else consider them in support of the crime

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 15 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Ghey was stabbed with a hunting knife 28 times in her head, neck, chest and back in broad daylight after being lured to a park in the town of Warrington on Feb. 11, 2023.

Yip handed Ratcliffe and Jenkinson a mandatory life sentence, and ordered them to serve a minimum term of 20 and 22 years, respectively, before they could be eligible for parole.

“You both took part in a brutal and planned murder, which was sadistic in nature, and a secondary motivation was hostility to Brianna, because of her transgender identity.”

However, Yip said that after they were found guilty last month, there was a “strong public interest in the full and unrestricted reporting of what is plainly an exceptional case.” Lawyers for the two argued that naming them would have ramifications for their welfare.

“The two appear to have had a deadly influence on each other and turned what may have started out as dark fantasies about murder into a reality,” Crown prosecutor Nicola Wyn Williams said outside the courthouse.

“I have moments where I feel sorry for them because they have also ruined their own lives, but I have to remember that they felt no empathy for Brianna when they left her bleeding to death after their premeditated and vicious attack, which was carried out not because Brianna had done anything wrong, but just because one hated trans people and the other thought it would be fun,” her mother Esther Ghey said in a statement that was read to the court.


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[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Is there such a thing as a “heavenly murder”? I thought all murder was bad. Seems odd trying to demonize murder more than it already would be. Like, would it have been better if they were crucified? Yikes.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago

The lynching of Mussolini was a pretty good murder. Same with the English pedophile prince the IRA murdered as well.

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[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 9 months ago

A bit confused, are you reacting to sadistic? That word doesn't mean evil, it means enjoying giving pain to others. There are murders that aren't as sadistic, as they could try to poison someone in sleep etc, giving no pain.

The wording is suggesting they very much enjoyed the process of committing the murder, making it more painful on purpose.

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[-] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

An absolutely horrifying crime, and I'm not trying to make light of an awful tragedy, but some of these names sound like they were randomly generated from a Hollywood database that includes names like Scarlett Johansson, Eddie Redmayne, Daniel Radcliffe, Amanda Seyfried, etc.

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