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Old man in politics that doesn't say fuck the constitution performs better against old man that says fuck the constitution than younger woman who hates progress.
Dropping Harris would only benefit the Biden campaign.
I hate it, but if Biden dropped Harris and picked up Adam Kinzinger, the election would be in the bag. He wouldn't lose any Democrats and he would pick up all the never trumper Repubs and a majority of centrists/undecided voters. (And Trump might just have a stroke when he hears about it).
She just wasn't the VP we need. At 81 there are some that will take that into account.
At his age, he should be considering his VP very carefully. It matters.
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I'm sure whoever Trump picks would also do worse against Biden
I still feel like we haven't had really strong candidates for some elections now.
2016:
Americans’ Distaste For Both Trump And Clinton Is Record-Breaking
The Democratic primary will technically march on, but Hillary Clinton is almost certainly going to be her party’s nominee. Same with Donald Trump. And voters don’t appear thrilled at the prospect: Clinton and Trump are both more strongly disliked than any nominee at this point in the past 10 presidential cycles.
2020:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/us/politics/polls-trump-biden.html
Both Candidates Are Widely Disliked (Again). This Time, Biden Could Benefit.
This could be the second straight presidential contest in which both candidates are viewed negatively by a majority of voters.
2024:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/25/politics/biden-trump-unpopular-president-election-2024/index.html
Biden vs. Trump: The 2024 race a historic number of Americans don’t want
We had a strong candidate in 2016 and the DNC literally committed fraud to deny him a nomination.
Yep. Thanks for mentioning it. Wasserman Schultz and her cronies gave old Sanders the shaft after HRC paid off the DNC debt.
"Democracy."
Plutocracy
I'd also like to add gerontocracy, oligarchy, and corptocrasy
Imagine if Bernie had broken with the party. There's a good chance he could've attracted a lot of otherwise disillusioned people and formed a real, viable third party candidate.
Nope. Would have been overall worse with 2 parties splitting dnc votes.
Yeah but then enlightened centrists would have blamed him for Clinton's loss, and used it to push the party further right.
Oh wait, they did that anyway.
Regretfully, our system is designed against us, and has been further corrupted over the years. So, no, there wouldn't have been any positive outcome from that type of action.
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The strength of Bernie in the general election remains an unproven hypothesis. But I agree that the DNC behaved inappropriately. The nature of primaries as “private” elections controlled by the party makes this type of behavior fairly inevitable.
Though the RNC also tried to stop Trump, they just failed at it, so parties don’t necessarily have complete control over the outcome.
He was polling ahead of Trump, Clinton was polling behind. We don't know if that would've continued to the actual election but we do know that Clinton lost.
I largely agree with this. I think there are good reasons to think the race would tighten—Bernie was never subjected to republican attack ads, and I think he also benefited from Clinton’s unpopularity, an effect that might fade once she was out of the race. But you’re right that we’ll never know for sure what would have happened.
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There was a reasonably strong slate in 2020, and Dem primary voters passed them over for the old white guy as a hedge against the voting preferences of casually-racist and sexist boomer voters in the general electorate. The shit of it is that their reasoning wasn't without merit either. But that's left us where we are now, with a milquetoast octogenarian as the last bulwark against putting the fascist septuagenarian dementia patient back in charge, and nobody likes those options even if one is obviously less bad than the other.
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Good thing Biden's not running against Harris.
Also, you can't really in good faith talk about Biden's"increased questions about his mental acuity to serve for another term" without quoting one of Trump's incoherent ramblings about the difficult tests his doctor gave him.
It's a poorly phrased title; they're trying to say that Biden is doing better against Trump than Harris hypothetically would if she was running instead of Biden
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Pollsters for Emerson found a higher percentage of voters who said they were undecided in the match-ups with Newsom and Whitmer than with Biden or Harris. Only 11 percent were undecided in the match-up with Harris, while 18 percent were undecided with Newsom and 22 percent were undecided with Whitmer.
National political leader has better name recognition than state level political leaders in national poll, news at 11
news at 11
Sarcasm totally unfounded here because there are plenty of people arguing that anyone but Biden would be a better bet against Trump. But you point out one of the huge advantages of an incumbent has: name recognition.
I'm pretty sure that disadvantage for those candidates would disappear in about 24 hours if Biden suddenly became unavailable to run and voters got told "If you don't want four more years of Trump, vote [whoever]"
e; an attempt at better phrasing
It's an inconvenient truth for people that Biden is the strongest and safest opponent against Trump. His incumbency advantage is significant.
It's possible another candidate would do better against Trump, but that's where "safest" comes into consideration. There's more unknowns and it's more risky. Our best bet would be to focus on a better candidate for 2028 and get started early with them
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Does anyone like Harris?
She really should have spent these last few years portraying herself as a better politician and more sympathetic person. She's mostly been this sort of non-entity in the background and has significant disadvantages due to her race and gender as well as her political background prior to becoming VP.
Her husband might
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Almost anyone would. If the crookedly right wing Supreme Court had a head on their shoulders they'd ban trump from running. It would leave the country thinking the government wasn't a complete sham and almost guarantee that the next election would favor the right. If Biden runs against anyone other than Trump the democrats are fucked. Biden is too damned old to face a coherent opponent.
It's almost like the average voter knows we are prisoner to the two party system. And no matter how many "centrists" say one or the other party should switch candidates, neither can.
Which is its own false equivalency because the bad traits of the two major party candidates are just not comparable.
Our electoral system is outdated and cannot survive an entire political party abandoning democracy.
There's no alternative to Biden at this point with the rules we have in place. 🤷
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Hey guys, I got a poll over here. It doesn't mean anything though. Do they just post these dumbass polls to publish something because they don't have anything else?
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Wait what? When was the match held? HOW DID I MISS IT???
Because Harris has no charisma and Newsom lacks the name recognition.
Personally, I dislike Harris because she's "tough on crime" and a former DA. As someone who's supported Sanders in the past, I've got no problem with direct politicians that don't small talk well. I don't know if you've ever spoken with Sanders but he has no tolerance for chit chat and isn't particularly charismatic himself.
Sanders has old professor charisma. He's passionate and articulate about the issues that matter to him.
But as he himself notes, and you point out, he's not quite a 'people person', not one for small talk.
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Probably because Harris locked up millions for simple possession and Newsom bulldozed homeless camps for the CCCP
Not to forget closing down breweries while leaving wineries open during COVID. While owning a winery. The kind of shit I expect of a morally compromised “rules are for thee, not for me” politician.
Edit: forgot he also attended some fancy party while telling people to not attend large gatherings. The definition of what I just stated. I wrote him off a while ago.
Newsom hasn't done himself any favors lately with the bills he's been vetoing
He's been endearing himself to party leadership with those vetoes.
And it's not like voters are ever gonna matter again in Democratic primaries.
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This article dares to ask: Biden may be hated, but does he poll well against other hated Democrats?
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