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[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 99 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's UN 37/43, adopted 3 December 1982:

"reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle."

I thiiink this is why Northern Irish groups like to use the phrase "armed struggle", https://archive.org/details/armedstrugglehis00engl

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 47 points 8 months ago

well I don't consider palestinians people, their nation to be real, that they have anything to be liberated from but themselves, that colonialism still exists or that this is an occupation so what now, leftist

[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 48 points 8 months ago

WYR:

  • Have your basic humanity intact, live a life that won't cause you horrific existential dread/shame on your deathbed

  • You get to be Islamophobic

[-] StellarTabi@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago
[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago

hexbear is fucking weird

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

I can't help but feel the UN saying it 'reaffirms' the legitimacy of armed struggle feels like playing both sides of the field; most times armed struggles succeed (Gaza is a somewhat unique case in that they've been walled up like fish in a barrel, and they can't actually retaliate when they're being genocided), and if the UN wants for there to be dialogue with the liberated nation then they have no choice but to say they affirm the struggle for liberation; if the struggle fails, they continue their relationship with the colonizers and no harm no foul.

If they were genuine, they would vote to never acknowledge the state of Israel and to do everything in their power to ensure it fails; compare everything the UN did for Ukraine vs what they're doing with Israel. If/When Israel finally ethnically cleanses the Palestinians from the occupied territory, the UN will simply continue business as usual with Israel like no crimes were ever committed.

Also they can't say they don't affirm the legitimacy of the struggle because the struggle will happen with or without their acceptance; no oppressed nation waits for the permission of a pack of clowns to fight back, and even without their support they'll still have the support of people around the world anyway. The freedom fighters in Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq didn't have the UN's approval to fight back, but they did anyway, and member nations of the UN were free to send their soldiers to be slaughtered there if they saw fit.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

independence, territorial integrity, national unity

These are mutually contradictory goals.

[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago
[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

The best example is Kosovo situation. Independence is (obviously) independent Kosovo, territorial integrity is Kosovo remaining part of Serbia and national unity is Kosovo becoming part of Albania. You can't support all of this goals at the same time.

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 98 points 8 months ago

i watched our media literally cut away before he could talk

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 85 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They had to stop him before he did a China Social Credit Score Disinformation Doublespeak.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 87 points 8 months ago

Palestine have the right to defend itself.

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 72 points 8 months ago

biden-troll "RULES BASED INTERNATIONAL ORDER!!!"

xigma-male "Consistent enforcement of international law."

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 68 points 8 months ago
[-] blight@hexbear.net 44 points 8 months ago

chinese foreign policy has quite a few bruh moments

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

The Sino-Soviet split and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 51 points 8 months ago

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only China watcher who remembers how to applaud.

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 33 points 8 months ago

there's dozens of us

DOZENS!

[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 49 points 8 months ago

Me, a DongFeng-41 hypersonic missile on it's way to Tel Aviv: troll xi-plz

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

SexMachineStalin here got tied to a missile and fired at Tel Aviv

[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

oh sweet, new tagline

[-] Flyswat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago

Don't harm non-cobatant civilians, but obliterate the heck out of their army and violent settlers

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 49 points 8 months ago
[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] wombat@hexbear.net 46 points 8 months ago

all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.

[-] DanComrd@hexbear.net 37 points 8 months ago

China knows a thing or two about armed resistance mao-clap

[-] DrCrustacean@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago
[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago
[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

Isn't this the entire theory behind our support for Ukraine?

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 37 points 8 months ago

I don't think that applies for military conflict between states. Pretty sure the justification used there is another UN resolution that essentially freezes borders to what they were that year and doesn't allow for territorial change using military conflict or something along those lines.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 40 points 8 months ago

Again, this seems like a pretty blatant contradiction. Not that it matters to a bunch of Settlers. But from the Unaligned perspective, it seems glaring.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago

Oh yeah, it definitely is. The excuse I think is that "Israel was defending itself whenever it captured new terrotory so it doesn't count". Which is also Russia's casus belli as well iirc lol

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 8 months ago

No it isn't. Russia is intervening on behalf of the people of Donbas fighting for their selfdetermination and their right to not be murdered by Ukrianian nazis. It would be more similar if let's say Egypt intervened in Gaza War by attacking Israel and you would defend Israel because of that.

[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 8 months ago

Afaik the UN charter itself is the one that banned war between members and forbade annexation

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

The justification for Ukraine is territorial integrity, the ruling China is alluding to can easily apply to the Donbass, Luhansk, and Crimean republics

[-] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Donbas, Lubansk, and Crimea all have a right to self-determination and declared their independence.

It would be more like if Ireland invaded Northern Ireland. NI is part of the UK just like Donetsk was part of Ukraine, but it would be perverse to consider Ireland a colonizer in that context given the ethnic makeup and history of the place.

Maybe at worst you can frame it as Russian revanchism but even to go that far you have to simply discard any memory of the decade long civil war and politics of brutality that took place there before Russia got involved.

[-] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago
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