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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

I've been telling people, if an admin defeds lemmygrad for some smarmy ass lying complete libshit reasons like Ada did, you should have 0 (zero) confidence that she or any other admin who does the same will be willing to engage y'all in good faith and actually work to change their instance, there isn't a single reason to defed lemmygrad that couldn't also be used to defed Hexbear for other than maybe lemmygrad is more sectatarian but that makes up maybe 1% of the content on our comms, or maybe that it's not as outwardly pro-trans*, but then again it's also the only instance in the threadiverse that I'm aware of that specifically makes you give your view on gender as part of it's application to weed out transphobes before they can even make an account (I'm not even sure how many instances even still use applications).

Brigading? I've seen more links dropped in hexbear threads in the like 2 weeks y'all have been federated than I did in 3 months on lemmygrad

Trolling? Y'all literally have an emote of a fucking pig shitting on its own testicles, what trolling can lemmygrad even conjure to compare to that

"being ok with wishing death on the people of Nato" this is the most baffling one, y'all literally have an emote dedicated to this kind of comment that has a nuke symbol and says "Please, Xi" that's used to say that the entirety of the west should be nuked and destroyed which is the exact same of comments made on lemmygrad just without the emote, and that's just the ones that use that emote in particular.

It may look like I'm saying I told you so because, well, I am, I told you so. I would be extremely surprised if that shithead of a mod gets removed, I put it at about the same chances as blahaj refederating with lemmygrad (so never, lol).

*I'm sure lemmygrad could be better in some way about this, but at the same time 11% of our users were trans when we did a survey 2 months ago, which I hope means that it's generally still a good, safe instance for our trans comrades (P.S. WE LOVE OUR TRANS COMRADES)

Edit: some further evidence of shit lib behavior, when she originally defederated lemmygrad it's not like she put effort to remain federated like y'all did, she dropped 2 (two) comments deep in some random ass thread where she called us tankies, this person was never going to put in the same kind of effort that y'all were going to, forgot about this until after I made the post https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/501598 https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/501598 their instance is struggling so here's a screenshot if you can't load them

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[-] BlueMagaChud@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago

I was looking forward to you doing an "I told you so" post, and you're right to say it. It became clear that they're mostly 196 funny-clown-hammer libs who intended to string us along for as many concessions as they could get before springing the inevitable defederation, so I'm glad our beautiful mods preempted them before those parasites could take much advantage of our good will.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I guess I should say I really admire the optimism and commitment for trans solidarity in the lemmyverse by a bunch of hexbear users, but I really don't think this could have gone any other way unfortunately, anyone who uses the word tankie like that has shown their true colors, the only reason I can think for why y'all didn't just get the exact same treatment as lemmygrad (i.e. defederated and announced deep in a random comment section), is that everyone and their mother already knew how pro-trans hexbear is and it would have been too bad of a look for their instance to do that?

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 1 year ago

I didn't even realize they defederated from us already. All because we're NATOphobic ๐Ÿ˜”

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

How dare you malign the historically marginalised people of NATO!

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 1 year ago

Oh no now hexbear's gonna defederate from us too! ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 1 year ago

I haven't done anything, haven't expected anything and yet I'm disappointed.

And yeah, because our emoji game here on Lemmygrad is so lackluster I've mostly been using hexbear emojis. But because they are written in text, only hexbaristas can see them. Also yes, I remember all the emoji names I use by heart.

Either way, I don't really care lmao :rotato-chip:

The only "problem" I have with federation is because you guys swarmed us so bad I see much less Lemmygrad posts xD. Even look at me! I'm more active on Hexbear lmao

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

Leave me alone :angery:

I totally don't have bias towards :rotato-chip:, totally. :rotato-chip: is just a good emoji ok :angery:

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[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

you guys

wait wait wait I'm a Gradian too :cri:

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

We're all hexbaristas now. We've effectievly been colonised.

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

I wasn't surprised. I could smell Adas bad faith from a mile away.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

I didn't mean to say every hexbear user, but I myself have been a little shocked by how many hexbear users seemed on board with bending backwards for blahaj

[-] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

I just wanted our trans comrades to have more friends on a trans-friendly instance, but 196 just really makes it a cesspool.

trans-heart

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 1 year ago

libs are for dunking on, not trusting stalin-approval

[-] SootyChimney@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

downbear Defederating with blahaj was the right move, but I don't think federating with them and at least trying was the wrong move either. Our short federated time meant we got a lot of users make accounts here, and I think a lot of users who stayed are now hyper-aware of their troubling internal politics (one of the top comments in the 'Hexbear defederated' thread is 'I'm concerned about 196'). If we never make efforts to outreach and talk with troubling libs, then we are doing absolutely nothing but preaching to ourselves.

Finding libs on which to directly dunk is the closest posting comes to praxis.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i think trying was a good idea at least so that now the trans users of blahaj know there are other options out there. i strongly believe in trans unity and really wanted it to work out, but the fact is there are a ton of cis wreckers on blahaj making trans unity impossible with them. we've already seen many trans users of blahaj jump ship to here

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[-] a_talking_is2@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

To me it wasn't. I knew western libs. They were never real about it. They just built a "culture" around a limited number of left-wing issues that didn't go against their core beliefs and now just keep being chauvinists.

[-] Finger@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

no more half measures walter

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

ELI Boomer: Why is 196 so popular and/or such a big thing? I understand that the rule says you should post something before leaving. But this results in typical meme community except the post titles are "rule" or a play on that word.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

how deep of a cut from the reddit lore do you want? like 1 sentence or the full story?

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago

Maybe one or two paragraphs? I don't want you to burn too much time/energy on this.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 1 year ago

In the beginning, there was r/195

it was started by some random dude in college that made the subreddit as a shitposting community specifically for people in the dorm, which had the number "195" on it. It eventually escaped its intended audience and massively grew in popularity, and the rule was that you had to post before you leave, and so it just became an incredibly random shitpost subreddit.

Eventually, the original creator decided he didn't want to deal with actually moderating it anymore since it was never actually intended to grow that popular, and so he shut it down much to the dismay of its users. So, r/196 was created to replace it (because 195+1=196).

It's unclear to me if it was originally like this or just became this way over time, but r/196 became one of the most pro trans places on reddit. However, it had a scourge brewing. Slowly but surely, it began to be taken over by chasers and just general hornyposting, and just generally by V*ushites with all the "ebil tankie!?!?" posting, because teenagers overwhelmingly used that place and that's the kind of discourse you might expect to see when a place is overwhelmingly used by teenagers, so r/19684 was created to purge the hornyposting which got rid of a lot of the chasers as well.

So, what seperates these subs from a general meme sub? Not that much, other than because of the circumstances of their creation they're far more trans-inclusive and less outright reactionary than the the meme subs you normally see on reddit like r/memes or r/dankmemes, But also generally the posting is generally even more derivative and more unhinged on places like r/196 than like r/memes because r/memes at least attempts to put some guidelines forth about quality control but there's nothing like that in the r/195 style places.

Hope that helps

[-] beef_curds@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it was weird watching r/196 turn from a place that would call out V to a place that had unironic V stan posts. Initially the red scare stuff seemed pretty sparse but grew over time, and is worse on the Lemmy side than on the sub even.

I'm just wondered if it was the result of moderation changes, or population shifts. Could just be V-ites moving into the place. I swear in the last few years though, there seems to be a conscious effort to move trans communities out actual leftist thinking into liberal thinking. It could just be driven by fear around SCOTUS and state level politics in the US, but it just seems like such a marked shift.

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

another user commented that the change happened virtually overnight and within two weeks it was a totally different place. smells like fed shit.

[-] beef_curds@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah, it was pretty quick. Felt organized, but that could be a lot of things. DNC outreach ops to influencers, who nudge viewers, who move into spaces in an organized way could look the same.

Doesn't matter really how it happened, so who cares? Even if it's completely organic, it means leftists were out organized by some sort of liberal. It doesn't take much organizing to influencing to change small spaces and libs are apparently doing the work that we aren't. And it's not limited to 196.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago
[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I should mention there's more lore that I've never bothered to look into, like why is there a r/197? don't really know, and I've already put too much time browsing through threads trying to piece together answers while reddit logoors do that annoying shit where they think they're comedy geniuses for giving joke replies to people asking serious questions and then never actually giving an answer, maybe I wouldn't mind spending more time looking all this up because internet lore like this is kinda fun to read about, if reddit logoors stopped being such dorks and making it so much harder than it needs to be. I know there have been like mod team overthrows on r/195 related subreddits when ML's try to make their own versions of those subs, and then overthrowing modteams in response, etc. etc.

I know @Awoo@hexbear.net has been pretty involved with moderating a lot of ML subreddits over the years so I bet she might know more about that specific drama that I'm talking about

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[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

eh won't take that long I'll just go find another comment that I've typed up about this before and clean it up give me a couple minutes lol

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Honestly it was worthwhile for our new trans comrades. I didn't think it would ever last given all the problems with blajah.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Maybe I should edit my post, my point wasn't that hexbear shouldn't have federated with blahaj, I'm in favor of federating with basically every instance besides complete nazi and spam ones, but I saw multiple people arguing that hexbear should curtail its behavior so that blahaj wouldn't defederate it and I've seen surprise that Ada acted like this, that's more what my post is about, that trying to cater to shitlibs will get you absolutely no where and no one should have been surprised by this series of events

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[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Yeah it definitely could have been predicted, and was by others. I want to say even then it may have made sense to go through with it to have the experience to quell any concerns some might have but I'm not as sure about that as I once was.

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[-] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think people trust people they like whether the person deserves it or not. Yea, Ada sucks

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

That's fair I guess, I'm sure a lot of people didn't see her calling lemmygrad users "tankies" unironically, because I can't imagine liking someone who does that tbh if you're a hexbear user

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[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

I didn't know shit about this instance before federation, but a lot of our trans comrades wanted to make it work, which was a good reason to give it a go.

Although the fact they had defedded the Grad was always a bad sign, I agree

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

I'd just like to point out that xi-plz gets an exemption as it's not political, but religious.

Thanks! posadist-nuke

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[-] forcequit@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

idk Ada seemed to genuinely be trying. The comm specific mod yeah sure they can eat the poop off the pigs balls, but idk it feels like the admin was put between a rock and a hard place kinda.

Yeah yeah libshit this and that, but were it not for 196 I'd imagine hexbear would still be federated, and 'grad would never have been defederated in the first place? Maybe I'm giving them too much credit but again, I saw nothing of concern from Ada that couldn't be attributed to having rabid anticommunists in her ear

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://hexbear.net/comment/3769480

yeah this doesn't seem that genuine to me. Also, what rock and hard place? just remove the mod for fuck's sake, it's not that hard? and is complaining about wish to death to NATO seriously not bother you? Idk, why even give her any benefit of the doubt in this situation? She certainly didn't seem to deem it necessary to try and work something out with lemmygrad (at least I'm unaware of any communications between her and the lemmygrad admin team) instead of just quietly defederating when she first did it months ago, she basically just announced it buried deep in a thread 2 months ago https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/496688 https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/501598 and called us tankies, she's an anticommunist radlib at best

[-] babushkot@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

When that happened it's when I knew I needed to jump ship from that instance lmao what a trainwreck

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 1 year ago

glad you found your way to hexbear, hope you've enjoyed your time on there stalin heart hands

[-] babushkot@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

I have, thank you comrade! And being federated with lemmygrad is great, a united front left-unity-2

[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If she'd reached out to us my response would have been that we'd have to reply to Ada, then Ada would have to reply to us, and then we'd get into an incessant back-and-forth with each of us having to reply to the other. It would be much more to the point to say that Ada is a traitor to the working class and everyone would understand.

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

P.S. Ada has sent in a silly DM. We shall neither print it nor reply to her.

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[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

idk Ada seemed to genuinely be trying.

You're obviously much more charitable than me, I am no longer willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

I could be wrong, but I think she knows exactly what she's doing.

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