No. America is the only one and it's fucking creepy
It's mandatory in China every Monday
They made us stand in the yard to listen to the anthem every Monday but I don't remember ever doing a pledge, but it might be different depending on city I guess.
No, you're right. I conflated singing the national anthem with doing the pledge of allegiance. Although, it seems the purpose is similar.
being 20% as bad as america is still a huge L tbh
We sang March of the Volunteers (the Chinese national anthem) on Mondays, there was never a pledge of allegiance.
20% bad as post-9/11 america. some schools that had dropped it for all the obvious reasons it's stupid to do picked it back up
When I was still living in AmeriKKKa, one kid in my 12th grade maths class taught me to start shitting on the pledge by calling it "corporate America" and things like "oil barons, Walmart, Lockheed Martin and Fox News", finishing off with "America deserved 9/11", something like that. But saying it in a way where it doesn't immediately stand out like me windmilling my piss on the Vietnam War Memorial, lmao
We had religious hymns in assembly and I FUCKING hated it. Stop making me sing about god you weirdos and let me play with my tamagochi
https://www.saveourschoolsmarch.org/what-countries-have-a-pledge-of-allegiance-in-schools/
Philippines, Singapore, India, Nigeria, Indonesia, and Japan all have in-school pledges.
I think the impact of the pledges are heavily overstated, particularly as kids get older and begin to naturally rebel. Sort of like how D.A.R.E. was a failure, in large part because it was quickly apparent to a lot of teenagers that this stuff was inflated bullshit. The real value, I think (much like with DARE), is in identifying certain kids who are outwardly rebellious and singling them out for punishment. Pledges become a litmus test for general obedience.
D.A.R.E. taught me that weed was non-addictive and also gave me an excuse to wear hot pink because I beat my entire class at trivia and won a hot pink D.A.R.E. t-shirt. It made it into the rotation, and was of such a radioactive hue that relatives and classmates alike would avert their eyes from the pain. It was glorious, and probably should have been a not-so-subtle hint that I was a freaking egg.
Edit: The fucking winning question was the names of the four Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I was the only diehard TMNT fan in my tiny 6th grade class, so there was an audible groan as everyone in the room turned to look at me, "say the line, Bart"-style.
The fucking winning question was the names of the four Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
That's insulting easy.
I was the only diehard TMNT fan in my tiny 6th grade class
How do I reach these kids!
uhm, actually in combmunismt korth norea they make kids as young as -2 praise kim jong un 45 times a day
Amateur hour, I grew up saying the pledges of allegiance to both the US and Christian flags.
You ever complete the trifecta and swear allegiance to the Bible too? We did three pledges. Granted it was a Christian private school though.
Thanks for unlocking a memory I had repressed since high school, but yes. I also went to a tiny private Christian school.
What is the Christian flag? I thought their symbol was the cross
Its an evangelical thing
Makes sense, that looks like fucking arse
Tightly associated with the christofascists
their music sucks so i wouldn't expect much from any other art.
I found a crimethinc pamphlet on the ground in NYC while on a school trip, in 6th grade. I was already too lazy to do the pledge but it definitely put me on the correct path. Thanks whoever littered rather than challenge themselves with something they never would've seen.
it definitely put me on the correct path. Thanks whoever littered
✨mistakes into miracles✨
When I was in school I remember it being optional even post 9/11, I don't remember getting any shit for not doing it, but this was like in high school and I'm sure things have probably changed for the worse.
Nah its still fine to not stand, no one in my homeroom does
Venezuela had you sing the national anthem every morning, or least that was the case in my private school.
I live in Argentina and we sang the Venezuelan Anthem because my childhood school was named after that country. In fact, during assemblies we flew both the Argentinian and Venezuelan flags, and I even got to carry the latter once.
I think Germany used to do it alot. Not so much anymore for some reason.
was going to come here and joke that "probably nazi germany", but chose not to because reality is way funnier than i could ever be
they still do at high school games in Germany. Admittedly it's usually the song of the town, or the song of the state (or state before it was merged, just to mess with the other states), and some of the songs sound very much, uh, march-in-formation-y.
(US) yeah, totally. the lesson i learned was how easily most people will do and say a thing they don't believe in just to avoid scrutiny from the broader group even when the orders are coming from the tiny minority that hold all institutional power.
and how like 5-10% of the obedient group are unhinged freaks who delight in enforcing discipline. by late high school though, most of us just stood there and didn't hand-on-heart/recite. and really the standing only happened when the instructor was like some divorced-dad dipshit coach or karen that would note who wasn't patriotic and look for ways to retaliate. normal teachers just stood at their desk and looked at their plans or whatever unless an administrator was doing a spot check.
No, that's weird and fucked up and the most obvious indoctrination ever. But I went to a Catholic primary school and a Protestant secondary school and in both of them we had to do different prayers. Also the Protestant school explicitly favoured Protestants, it was a private school and gave priority to Protestant children to get in. Idk how they got away with that because that is so fucking illegal
When my family moved to Florida when I was in elementary school yes. But when we moved back to New York I'm 100% sure i wasn't in a school that ever did it.
Damn we had to do it in Upstate New York or else you got dirty looks.
Honestly as trivial as it is in light of virtually everything else the performative patriotism adorning American society is the thing I’ve had a bug up my ass about the longest. Mawkish as hell. Cringy as hell.
pretty sure nazi germany did, no?
I started sitting through it half way through highschool. I was lucky enough to have a couple teachers who while were extremely uncomfortable with what I was doing, were at least worldly enough not to make a stink about it. They'd basically pull a biden 'c'monn maannn' before giving up which was cool. One teacher even revealed that she used to do the same thing in high school like 40 years back and understood it.
We actually sang the anthems of each of the branches of the armed services too. Kinda creepy, but being able to play Anchors Away My Boys from memory has come in handy later in life.
We don't really have this in Denmark, no such thing as a pledge of allegiance existed when I went to school. Our music teacher once had us sing the national anthem and told us we had to stand but that was it. It wasn't a recurring event. We did sing quite a few national romantic songs from the 1800's in music class but those were more idealised descriptions of landscape and seasons than homages to the state.
The school had a flagpole that was used at official flag days (Christian holidays, WWII anniversaries and royal birthdays) and at festive events the stage was lined with tho flags but we understood those more as a festive decoration (like at birthdays) than a political and nationalist manifestation.
Things have worsened a bit since I went to school in the 1990's but it is still nothing compared to American children chanting pro-regime slogans every morning.
Yeah and those national romantic songs were usually tied to history lessons as well: "Denmark got bombed to shit so we had to find another way to feel good about ourselves, let's sing this song and analyse it."
The good thing about your country losing all it's wars is that the nationalist cult can't really do the "we will water our fields with the blood of our enemies!" things but have to make do with "it's nice here in the summertime".
Pretty sure Singapore had something similar, but not sure if they still do it.
In mexico we did a huge ceremony lasting over an hour every monday, and on some special days. There was the anthem. some nerds carring around a falg, marching in circles. then there was an oath to the falg. The calss in charge would also do some sort of play or dance or something wich they usually reahearesed for months. And then there whould be anouncments. So even if it was every monday instead of every day the time invested was probably more than in the us.
When i was in a religious school there would also be prayer and some bullshit. But mexico has a long history of facism, only turkey comes close.
In South Africa we sang the national anthem at the end of the term/semester during assembly, but that was it. The worst was singing Christian hyms once a week during the weekly assemblies. At a government school! Technically illegal but no one gave a shit because South Africa is 80% Christian. I remember getting weird looks when I stopped singing at the age of 14/15 because I was no longer religious.
Nope! Lol. It's a thing that always struck me as odd about the us. Some countries have assemblies and most sing national anthems once in a while, but I've only ever heard of the pledge in propaganda about socialist countries or about Nazis.
We do not, and we unironically have a parade about how cool WW1 was.
I had to pledge to the flag in Argentina, way back when I was a kid. We also stood in formation as the flag is raised and lowered each day.
We sang all kinds of anthems too, from the national anthem to the Himno a Sarmiento (some racist fuck), Himno de San Martin (cool guy), Marcha de las Malvinas (indoctrination to hate the british) and the Himno a la Bandera (flag), too many anthems to memorize and whenever they played them I just made sounds with my mouth pretending I was following the lyrics lmao.
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