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[-] egg1918@hexbear.net 107 points 6 months ago

Nobody has shit on the Mormons with their soaking

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 56 points 6 months ago

Or weird underwear and caffeine rules.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 28 points 6 months ago

I have been wanting to find some one piece underwaar like that where it buttons to my undershirt

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

I used to have a button up onesie. It was made of waffle shirt/long John material and was absolutely fantastic to have on under clothes on cold days

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 months ago

Driving across the US, every state had government signs about drunk driving, Utah was the only state that instead had signs warning about drowsy driving and falling asleep at the wheel

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago

Or the earwig shindigs they get up to

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago

Plenty of people have been shitting on the Mormons for soaking.

As they should

[-] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm told by an ex-Mormon I know that soaking isn't real, but what they actually do:

  1. NCMO - Non-Committal Make Out

  2. durfing - grinding with your clothes on but they made up a silly name

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[-] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 96 points 6 months ago

I am the one non Jew in a majority orthodox building and I am constantly turning on/off lights and plugging things in for my neighbors.

Every week I feel like a hero

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 32 points 6 months ago

Is Orthodox Judaism like being Amish or something?

[-] fox@hexbear.net 49 points 6 months ago

Some Orthodox Jews believe that using electricity violates the prohibition on lighting a fire on the Sabbath, others believe it's fine to do so but don't as part of being pious and respecting Sabbath, others maintain it's a form of doing work and thus prohibited, and some believe it's prohibited only because of popular tradition but with no backing in the Torah.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

tbh back in the day if I was cold and Jewish on the Sabbath I'd light a goddamn fire

Even back then the loophole was "keep yesterday's fire going" as if that's somehow less work

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[-] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago

You get the Amish experience every Saturday

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The Amish don't view these things as 'against God's will' nor do their justifications come from the Bible. They are imposed as a way to maintain organized traditional familial community practices. They are conservative because most Amish communities require 100% parish (patriarchal) approval to change a technological practice. It makes change excruciatingly slow in these communities.

For example, it's not that 'phones are against God's will', it's that individual phones, or phones in the house take away from being 'present and aware' in the home. Same for tvs. Yet, most Amish communities allow phones on the exterior of the home, but it is invaluable as a communication device for coordinating work.

That said, there are many problems with this style of community, but the Amish, for all their issues, are usually not out there looking for loopholes.

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[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The concept of "untouchable caste" is so ridiculous to me, like, "oh so I can't date the potter's daughter cuz my father is a butcher and my mom a mortician?, well good luck next time you crave meat or your eleventh child dies of diphteria, you dipshit"

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[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 95 points 6 months ago

Or things like the wire that goes around Manhattan to make it technically count as "inside" so they can do work during shabbat. It's kinda like doing sovereign citizen stuff but with religion instead of government.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

Yeah that one really feels like bullshit to me. At the very least it’s not indoors if I can look up and see the sky

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 34 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yea, I don't understand how someone can honestly think that's a "loophole". At that point, just say the wire actually stretches around the entire world except NYC, and so the entire earth is inside. Go whole hog with it.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

With how much space trash there is we could consider earth to be inside I guess.

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[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 68 points 6 months ago

Ngl I kinda love that the idea of rules-lawyering God—like, hey God, your word is law, so clearly any loopholes are intentional because you wouldn't make a mistake, right? It's not killing God, but it's something. There's even a story in the Talmud about rules-lawyering God and God being like, "Well damn, ya got me!"

(full disclosure: I am not Jewish and only know about this story from one of those Ace Attorney videos)

[-] WhatsonAir@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

One of the best stories to tell children.

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[-] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 67 points 6 months ago

I have known and worked with several orthodox jews and the loopholes really are incredible. They all can't use light switches on Shabbat but they can set timers ahead of time, they all have different amounts of time they have to wait in between meat and dairy for it to be considered kosher, married women can't show their hair in public but a wig that looks exactly like their hair is fine, etc. Like why are you trying so hard to skirt these rules that you have imposed on yourselves? They are all a sneeze away from self-awareness but always swing in the other direction instead.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago

The purpose of the loopholes is to prevent a confrontation between their incompatible beliefs. Then they'd have to actually follow the rules (looking different from others by covering their hair) or reject them (leave part of their identity and community).

All religions have these things they're just more obvious when a group is more strict, or at least casts itself as such.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 58 points 6 months ago

Why go through the trouble of finding loopholes when you can just break rules? What's god gonna do, come down and hit you?

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 66 points 6 months ago

It's a game. God appreciates you finding the loopholes and finds them amusing to watch.

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago

In a deity's defense, The Sims is a lot more fun when goofy stuff happens.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Is this actual faith doctrine? Why even have hell for other people if rules don't actually matter?

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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 48 points 6 months ago

Well if your God is the Old Testament God... Yes.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 45 points 6 months ago

But when was the last time he did that after phones with cameras existed?????

[-] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

gestures towards global temperature graphs give it a decade or two

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[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 55 points 6 months ago

Painting the front of my house to look like a church so that God is happy with how much time I spend there

[-] Deadend@hexbear.net 50 points 6 months ago

I love these things as it’s almost a comedy of thinking too hard about everything.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 46 points 6 months ago

Jokes on them; God made those loopholes to test them.

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 41 points 6 months ago

I'm genuinely curious about some of these. I think the light stuff is related to rules about not laboring on the Shabbot - historically they would not build fires on Saturdays, right? I'm guessing the wigs are for technically covering her hair while still presenting like someone who isn't wearing a head covering.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I think the light stuff is about not starting of extinguishing fires, and electric lights are considered "fire" to ultra Orthodox Jews. So turning the light switch on is starting a fire, and turning it off is extinguishing one. The oven thing could also be to do with that, as anything that produces heat could also be seen as starting a fire. 5 seconds of research that I did states:

In addition to the general forbidding of all manner of work on the Sabbath, there is a special prohibition against making a fire (Exod. 35:3). The Rabbis considered this to include everything that pertains to the kindling of light, even if no actual work is involved. In modern times, there is a controversy regarding whether the switching on of electric lights and appliances is equivalent to making a fire.

...Orthodox Jews do not use electric appliances on the Sabbath, believing that the prohibition against kindling a fire was not based on the physical effort involved in rubbing two stones together to produce a spark but rather on the thought and planning that resulted in its generation.

For the Hazon Ish, the activation of an electric current and its transmission to sources of power, heat, and light that is produced by turning on a switch is forbidden because it falls under the category of “building” — intentionally causing something to happen. An exception is the refrigerator, which may be opened and closed because any electric current that this produces is incidental and without conscious intent. However, many observant Jews unscrew the refrigerator bulb for the Sabbath.

Lights that have been kindled before the Sabbath, such as the Sabbath candles, are allowed, as are an oven for keeping previously cooked food warm and a burner to keep water warm for coffee or tea. Similarly, it is permitted to leave an electric appliance running during the Sabbath and to use a timer to automatically turn an appliance on or off, as long as the timer is set before the Sabbath begins.

Exodus 35:3

You shall kindle no fire throughout your settlements on the sabbath day.

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago

So basically, what counts as work and fire is largely vibes-based? Neat.

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[-] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 36 points 6 months ago

How does this not cause cognitive dissonance? The rules would not have loopholes if it were designed by an omniscient god. If they actually believed, the "loopholes" shouldn't matter because they would want to follow God's will and not find excuses to ignore it in the first place. This is just an exercise in constantly manipulating and trimming passages to fit them into modern society because they're not willing to give up conveniences but they still want the perceived superiority of being holy.

Everything about this points to either it's not real or they don't even believe it. Would God actually be fooled by "Oh well I convinced myself I didn't have to follow this rule because XYZ". It sure sounds like you're engaging in behavior for fear of not fitting in rather than love of God.

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

The purpose of the loopholes is to allow yourself to do the thing you want to do, without feeling bad about it. Since God is omniscient, then any "loophole" you find in the divine rules must therefore be put there with the express purpose of allowing you to do whatever you found the loophole for.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yep you can either be a religious fanatic living in opposition to the world, or you can be more secular and less literal and be part of it. These people want both. They want the advantages of being seen as holy and righteous and above the world, but they also want to be part of it and benefit from its comforts. It is truly an exercise in cognitive dissonance.

Christians have the "loophole" of repentance and atonement and just needing to believe in Jesus, so they can freely sin and not feel bad about it since nothing sticks to your permanent record. Ultra-religious jews do this instead because they don't have a magical "erase" button for their sins built into their doctrine.

[-] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 6 months ago

Leaving religion was one of the best things that ever happened to me in my life, I'm so glad I'm not like these people anymore, constantly having to follow a set of contradictory rules in order to chase an ideal of perfection that's impossible just so I could get a reward after I'm dead lol.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

I still remember my first moment of disbelief was when I was in Sunday School, probably around five or six years old and the nun was telling us about how prayer was when we talked with God

Me, being an autistic-as-hell little kid said "But I never hear anything back"

The nun goes "Well, you don't always, that's not how prayer works"

And I just bust our with a, "then what's the point? Why bother?"

They made me sit in the corner for an hour, which was fine because I just played Mega Man on my Game Boy with no sound on

[-] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 6 months ago

I didn't even have the mental capacity to refute anything, it was always strict obedience. Happens when you're in an echo chamber; they have to get you while you're young so you accept everything as fact and never question anything, it's really disgusting and creepy

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[-] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

she's like "here's me turning a light on and off so i don't have to turn the lights on and off on the sabbath" like wut?

[-] RedHelhest@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

Wait, why the box of mac and cheese?

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