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[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Which angle am I supposed to read this from? That Biden's critics are being duplicitous, or that Biden's supporters are being repressive?

[-] pitaya@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

Based on OP's post history, it's meant to be against Batman (and Biden) here. Post has the opposite effect though lol

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 5 months ago

I gotta be honest, I seriously had a lot of support for Batman when I first saw it 🙂.

I mean the whole premise is hilarious. Disagreeing with them is not the same as hitting them in the face, obviously, and of course they're not planning on stopping disagreeing with anyone around them or yelling their viewpoint at people who don't want to hear it. It's the standard conservative tactic of "how DARE you do back to me a lesser version of what I did to you, actually specifically in response to me doing it to you, that's literally oppression so unreasonable and I'm a total victim now and how dare you."

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

No, no, I've been assured archomrade is just SO far left that they can't help but proudly repeat fascist talking points all day, every day!

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I know it's good in this instance that Biden is likely to win because he can out spend the orange one, but I still find it crazy that your politics is just about who has the deepest pockets. Spending limits are a thing for a reason.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

It's not. In 2016 Bloomberg outspent the other candidates by orders of ten and still lost horribly. Bernie raised funds from his electoral base and came to be a close contender to Clinton. You just can't fix shit personality with money.

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 5 months ago

I sort of don’t have problems with Biden.

Biden is the most liberal President that the Democratic Party has allowed to become president since Jimmy Carter. And that’s cool.

But after 40+ years of both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party getting on their knees to give the sloppiest, messiest blowjobs for corporate America, the Republican Party lacks the ability to govern, and the Democratic Party lacks the ability to lead, and neither have any intention of doing anything to benefit U.S. citizens unless it either benefits the wealthy most or is needed to improve their chances of reelection.

I feel like this messaging is reductive and stupid. The problem is not people being anti-Biden. The problem is a broken-ass system and political parties that hope we don’t realize it.
The exceptionally stupid thing is that Republicans want to tear the system down and take it over, and the Democratic Party seems to think that is a cute point to campaign on, rather than an existential fucking crisis that they aren’t taking seriously because they’re afraid if they pull that corporate dick out their mouth and start actually embracing the will of the people that they won’t have the funds to campaign.

But anyway, Grampa Joe is fine.

[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 1 points 5 months ago

Honestly, best case scenario is that the Dems get a big enough win that the GoP tears themselves apart trying to pin the blame, and ends up collapsing. Then the Democrat party splits due to some seeing a void, and the US gets a hard shift left with the new right wing party being only marginally more right wing than the Democrat party is now

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago

My dream scenario was first enough states passing the interstate voting compact by ballot initiative to bring it into effect, immediately followed by adoption of preference voting systems, campaign finance reform, universal mail in voting and electoral holidays.

But like, I think tribalism and the entrenched systems that benefit from this system would topple the U.S. into autocracy before people could unify enough to make even a fraction of the above happen.
Notwithstanding, there is currently both massive internal and external pressure to push the U.S. to that point regardless of what is happening, so we’re pretty much fucked six ways from Sunday.

[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah, unfortunately the best case scenario I put forth is also a not very likely one

[-] squid_slime@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

I'm not keen on the philosophy of accelerationism but america is so chewed up with essentially two party's both fucking terrible and with a limited chance of any other party ever getting in that I can only imagine the path to change in america would be a destructive one. Its lovely to think that maybe the masses would mobiles and democratically bring in a alternative party, truly lovely.

From Europe its sadly easy to think this but I do feel for my american comrades, solidarity.

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

The quickest way to quell accelerationist thoughts is for the party in question to actually do better.

[-] squid_slime@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

the problem is, some people aren't liberal and would like for leftist parties to have a fighting chance. and the political system in america built on money and generation has made for a two party system, a two party system that can not be democratically removed.

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If it's the case that people want a moderate, then there should be no concern when the leftists don't turn out, right?

That's what is always so confusing to me is that Democrats both act like they need progressive support and then crap on them the entire time. They can't have it both ways.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

Trump supporters have way too much free time.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago

Sure, anyone who's not volunteering to fondle Joe Biden's balls is a Trump supporter. /s

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm not the biggest fan of genocide Joe myself, but when it's the only thing you post about 24/7, people are going to start to get suspicious of your motives.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago

I kinda get it, but I would argue that Trump/the republicans have gone so far beyond parody, that it's actually become way too hard to make memes about them.

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

As the election comes closer, people are going to talk about it more. Shocker.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

My friend said to me the other day “why did democrats nominate such a weak candidate?” To which I asked since given the fact that weak and strong are relative terms, can you point out 1 specific aspect where Biden is weaker than his opponent? She had no answer other than “he is just weak”

Don’t let these fuckers gaslight you in thinking the convicted felon with 90+ indictments and a wannabe dictator is somehow stronger than the alternative.

[-] cybersin@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

Biden is ancient and incomprehensible in half of his public appearances. Not saying Trump isn't, but his people love his crazy rambling.

It is not unreasonable for people to be disappointed. They are being forced to choose between two dementia riddled candidates. The only people who truly think Trump would be the better alternative are dumbass "centrists" and conservatives.

Yes, lesser evil voting is good, but you can't shame people for not smiling while smelling shit.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

his people love his crazy rambling.

The fuck

[-] cybersin@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Have you listened to any of his speeches? Yes, he says insane shit, but his audiences (conservatives) love it.

Trumpisms and Trumpspeak

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

This is ableism. Biden doesn’t mumble because of his age, but because he’s had issues with stuttering since he was young. To a few kids he’s even been an inspiring image for the fact he rehearses his speeches so well he rises above the impromptu stutters.

[-] cybersin@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

No.

I already know of this.

It is what he says through the mumbling that is concerning.

I do not condone ablism.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Biden is ancient and incomprehensible in half of his public appearances.

That’s the opposite of what you said. Are you concerned about what you can understand, or what you can’t?

[-] cybersin@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

A speech impediment does not excuse the murder of Palestinian civilians.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

A speech impediment does not excuse the murder of Palestinian civilians.

Biden is ancient and incomprehensible in half of his public appearances.

Where is Palestine in this sentence

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

Trump is vastly better at campaigns, Biden is far too insulated from public appearances. Trump is also really good at inspiring his base, half of Biden's party doesn't even want him. Trump gets to point to a generally good economy for his term until states shut down for covid, Biden gets to downplay a cumulative 20% inflation during his term.

Biden is in trouble in the states he needs to win, and these weaknesses are a big part of it.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Trump is vastly better at campaigns

JFC. I don’t even want you to explain that. Hopefully you are not American and/or high as shit.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 5 months ago

Somebody figured out that a lot of human judgement comes down to groupthink. If you see a bunch of people who are clearly operating guided by some assumptions, then you'll take those assumptions on and start being guided by them, whether the people you saw were real or fake.

Then, a few years ago, it became cheap and easy to flood both social media and news media with restatements of whatever assumptions you want people to pretend that are guided by.

And so, behold: The economy is crashing, which is all Biden's fault, and he's a weak candidate who loves genocide. Everyone's disappointed in him. Everyone knows all these things and sees them all the time. The simple repetition is actually a very solid system for producing the public opinion you want to produce.

At the present moment, they are trying to do it tactically with the "anyone who is disagreeing with me is trying to silence me, in fact they are literally hitting me in the face (also! Note that I'm allowed to disagree with whoever I want)" narrative -- simply repeating it, over and over, in the hopes (probably pretty well founded) that people will start to absorb it and behave the way they want them to behave.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago

At the present moment, they are trying to do it tactically with the “anyone who is disagreeing with me is trying to silence me, in fact they are literally hitting me in the face (also! Note that I’m allowed to disagree with whoever I want)” narrative – simply repeating it, over and over, in the hopes (probably pretty well founded) that people will start to absorb it and behave the way they want them to behave.

Social media is both a blessing and a curse. Depending on context you might think a little of both at any given time.

I hope you do keep engaging with it. The easy thing to do would be to ignore the alarms, but it's not the smartest.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev -1 points 5 months ago

Your selfless and forward-thinking actions in support of the Democrats, and left wing goals, are plain to see. That's totally the result. It's instantly obvious.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 5 months ago

I hope it's obvious I could say the same thing about you, by not pushing harder for better.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Don't worry - even if they were pushing harder for better, the moment they had a chance of their chosen candidate winning, you'd swap to "NOT GOOD ENOUGH" and return to simping for the fascist. :)

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The question isn't whether or not he is weaker than the other candidate. The question was, would a better Democratic candidate have stood a better chance? I think you're misrepresenting what your friend had said.

It's actually kind of rude how you're depicting them right now, as some sort of buffoon.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago

This does need to be the go-to response to anyone saying shit like that: "How is Trump stronger?" Force them to admit they have no frame of reference.

[-] Hegar@kbin.social -1 points 5 months ago

He's a weak candidate because he's a tepid aged rich guy who only loosely reflects what his base wants and is incapable of delivering the level of change the historic moment requires.

He's uninspiring. The US desperately needs large scale institutional change. With how broken those institutions are, that's going to require a groundswell of public support, something that can only be done by an inspiring reform candidate, not an establishment figure.

I'm still voting for him, but I'm (eternally) disappointed in the short sighted cowardice of the democratic party.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

a tepid aged rich guy who only loosely reflects what his base wants and is incapable of delivering the level of change the historic moment requires.

I mean, green energy, student loans, proper actual judges, high-speed rail, decriminalized weed, support for Ukraine, prosecuting trump for at least one of his many many crimes, increased school funding, etc etc and that was with half his term under a batshit republiQan House that can barely not hold up revenge porn in public hearings.

Goddamn, whatever.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Don't let anyone gaslight you into thinking that your vote is the only thing that matters.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Of course not. You still have to do the dishes.

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'll do the dishes when I'm eating the food. I'm not going to just clean up after the neoliberals while they let me starve at the kids table.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

You can sit with the adults anytime you’re able to stop stuffing peas up your nose and making farting noises with your armpit.

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I guess that's how you see universal healthcare yeah?

Its not like the progressives are asking for anything crazy.

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