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[-] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 35 points 5 months ago

Notice how he does something terrible and then does something that looks like it balances the terrible out, but in reality, it's just terrible business as usual?

Look at the Gaza pier

Not a novel, or interesting observation I guess.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I read the article and it was shit. There are two "programs". Are they executive orders? It seems that they are.

Biden will unveil the policies at a celebration at the White House to mark the 12-year anniversary of another executive action...

If so and Trump wins - can he simply kill the orders?

Biden will allow undocumented spouses to apply for legal residency without having to leave the United States, a major relief for those who have jobs and are raising young children and worry that there is no guarantee they will be allowed back into the country.

[...]

Biden is also expected to announce a work-visa program for current enrollees in Obama’s 2012 program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, and others who were shut out of the program after the Trump administration called it an illegal amnesty and tried to terminate it in 2017.

[...]

Details for both programs are still being worked out and are expected to be made public over the summer, officials said.

Fucking media.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 34 points 5 months ago

If so and Trump wins - can he simply kill the orders?

Yup. Good thing he did it at the start of his term so as many people as possible could do it before it could get killed. Be pretty immoral if he was just creating a hostage situation.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

if he loses and the program gets nixed the trump government uses that list of people who started the process to arrest and kick out first because none will get through it by the time that happens

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

Yuuuup. This is so obviously bad faith, I can only assume every lib out there is posting it in their social media as another Biden Win.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

Let's play "How will the GOP kill the dems' plans!"

  • Via the GOP justices on the supreme court.
  • Via judge shopping the plans go to the wackadoodle GOP judges on the Fifth Circuit.
  • DC GOP pols kill it.
  • The GOP president kills it.
  • State GOP pols kill it in their state.
  • Etc! Because the GOP will figure out other methods.
  • [Did I forget anything?]

 

Just yesterday I saw a popular Bluesky thread about how incrementalism gets a really bad rap. Simultaneously I had a feeling of humor, a feeling of "No! No! Fucking no!" where I wanted to shake my head, and I was angry.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 23 points 5 months ago

Weren't people married to us citizens automatically made citizens up until like 2001 or something

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

oh yeah, hogs would really consider this one in an unbiased manner

[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

good immigrant (married, integrated, producing surplus value) vs. bad immigrant (young male, refugee, etc.)

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 5 months ago

I know this is the exact opposite direction of Rs and Ds, both, but (commie mode engaged) the US needs to fully decriminalize "illegal" border crossings. Obviously I'd mostly prefer the US/MX border be treated like the US/CA border or even better like the MO/KS or CA/NV borders... ie, not really a border beyond invisible lines.

I don't know if most Americans, since they were born citizens, have ever dealt with the immigration shit hands on in any capacity. I used to deal with USCIS (immigration) and the passport service a lot for a job. I was just verifying legal status based on documents issued by USCIS. Like checking if a judge had granted asylum status or if a person had a temporary green card (temporary permanent residency... figure that one out) due to a recent marriage to a US citizen, stuff like that. Because federal and state benefits or services are often tied directly to your citizenship status. Being able to get a driver's license is usually also tied to legal status in the states. Some states are more restrictive than others, but yeah.

Anyway, I had never dealt with immigration service shit before that job. I knew some people who were dual citizens or even had moved to the US or had parents move here, etc. but never had hands on dealing with the systems and the paperwork.

Dealing with that shit, even as the privileged natural born citizen, who isn't at risk for anything, was stressful and frustrating as fuck. I don't know how people deal with it tbh. Even like the "best case" immigrants, the H1b and their spouse, seemed to always be teetering on the edge of "oh, oops, USCIS fudged this up. Guess your driver's license is cancelled. And you're probably here illegally now. 🤷‍♀️" Seeing whole families lugging around giant sorting folders of all their precious documents was something I had never encountered. And I guess why would you, it's pretty personal documentation and stuff, but still.

There were so many times where some moron wrote a rule specifying like the employment authorization document card (it's similar to a green card but red and only denotes certain employment eligibility) wasn't good enough to get certain stuff in the state. I'd have to explain like if USCIS issued them an EAD card... then yes they're eligible for things like driver's licenses. It means they probably got asylum approved or are awaiting a final judgement or whatever and can work in the meantime. But nope, some tiny rule somewhere says the card isn't enough they also need a signed, stamped document... Jesus Christ it was crazy.

I remember one time I kinda passed this one on to my supervisor to say this shit because I'm fairly sure it was illegal and didn't want any part of it. Some guy was submitting citizenship proof for a federal background check as part of becoming certified to drive hazmat commercial vehicles. Everyone has to go through the process every whatever number of years like 5 years or whatever. I think only citizens are eligible for it as well. Maybe perm residents, I forget, but anyway this guy was a naturalized citizen so I asked for his citizenship proof which for him is his certificate of naturalization or, more commonly, US passport. He gives me the passport, I do all my shit, all the paperwork and shit that goes to the FBI to do whatever they do. The next day I was told there was an error with his application and I needed to call him and let him know they needed proof of citizenship... I said "his passport info is in the file." Which it was. So my supervisor pulls it up since she wasn't sure what was being requested and she's like oh but his passport says [country that isn't USA] as birthplace. "Ok? And? I send up US born passports all the time... they issued him a passport, he's a citizen. They have all that info somewhere." "Yeah, but you have to submit his original certificate of naturalization." So, this went around in a circle for a while with me being as nice as I could without outright saying "this feels illegal as hell to discriminate against non-US born citizens..." Cool fact about MY passport, it also doesn't say "country of birth: USA" like most do. Because I was born outside the US but to two citizens. It has that country. I said to the supervisor, being nice as I could, "I would sue this place under the ground if you guys demanded I bring in my stupid "born outside the US consular bullshit report"" and she just said she'd handle it after that. I saw the guy the next day and since I was working all I could really offer was the "yeah.... it's bullshit...." speech. We both know why they were singling him out, we both knew if it had been me applying no one would've said shit, but what do you expect from the racist ass system... I did enjoy my dumbass coworker literally shutting the fuck up for the rest of the day (he was a big YAPPER) after I told him/my supe that I was in the same situation as the guy was. And just asking them directly "would you demand I bring in further proof??? Because I know you fucking wouldn't! The application says proof of citizenship which a passport is. Nothing else to say!"

But yeah fuck USCIS and all the racist ass, stupid ass rules and fuck Joe Brandon

[-] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago

They criminalized seasonal migrant workers and made the border less permeable so that it was no longer feasible to cross twice per year. So to work on a us farm, you now have to stay year round.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

so wait, this isnt new legislation this is a policy change he could have had enacted three years ago?

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

I read the article and it was shit. It seems Biden plans two executive orders so if Trump wins - he'll kill the orders.

https://hexbear.net/comment/5024460.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago

so basically biden is saying here is a process you can get started with and if trump wins you've basically told him you are illegal and he'll come for you first

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago

Unless I'm missing something - that seems to be a grim possible outcome. And ICE could "accidentally" leak the entire list with loads of personal info to their friendliest right-wing media outlet. Or if that was too problematic - somebody could take the mountain of data and they could leak it to the media themselves. Why not? Trump would call them a real American and a patriot and he'd tell the world that if the dems tried to prompt his DOJ or his FBI to go after them - it wouldn't matter. He's got pardon power.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

im not even thing that backhanded literally just trump undoing the order and being like, well all these people are undocumented and no longer in any legal process to be documented so kick em out they even filled out this paperwork with their current address

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