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submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by Stamets@lemmy.world to c/tenforward@lemmy.world

I said a while back that I was gonna change my name due to my obscene displeasure with the final season but... nah. I'm Stamets. I love my lil gay boy and I love his lil gay family and I love the ship with the weirdly long nacelles.

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[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 84 points 4 days ago
[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

LD being canon takes away some of the sting of Disco being canon. Since it's so far in the future the last 3 seasons can also easily be ignored.

[-] CptEnder@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

As it should be.

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[-] elephantium@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago

Ah, canon, or the word we use to describe which made-up story is more real than the other made-up stories!

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Anything I personally don't enjoy isn't Canon.

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[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 72 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Stamets is great. I love him.

I love a LOT of the characters on discovery, but I just found the story arcs it ended up telling very... Overblown.

Did the disco really have to save the literal galaxy every season? And skip across time so it could be placed into a pivotal role in every era?

Not a single time, not once, did the disco feel like just another ship in the fleet. It was always THE ship.

Season one is still the best IMO, with the disco being a secret research program hijacked by Lorca for his own purposes. The story felt right. But then the ship and crew just kept being extraordinary not just every season, but in every tiny moment.

I really love all the worldbuilding in Trek, but in disco that always played second fiddle to whatever crisis was going on, which the disco would then inevitably resolve. It was yawn-inducing to me.

Even as I adored lots of the small stuff the series did with the style, characters, and world.

Like Stamets!

[-] CheeryLBottom@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Your comments put into words how I felt about the show. It was one major calamity after another. I might go back and finish because of Stamets, Culber (love Wilson Cruz), and everyone else.

I do like Strange New Worlds a lot. It is less frenetic

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[-] FlatFootFox@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

Modern Star Trek has its ups and downs. I’m just glad there’s so much of it. Discovery can have a weird National Treasure season, and Picard can have a bumpy Covid year, but there’s probably something interesting going on in Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds. (Or vice versa.)

I’m just happy characters like Stamets weren’t a one off experiment. It’s delightful to see queer folk continue to pop up in the main cast of other shows.

[-] match@pawb.social 16 points 4 days ago

This analogy doesn't work because Lower Decks never misses, making it the only star trek with no bad seasons

[-] FlatFootFox@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Lower Decks never misses unless you’re one of those folks with the Trek equivalent of the cilantro soap gene who just can’t get on board with an animated comedy show.

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Well I haven't even looked at it yet. The feedback of it from you guys is so bad I started deep space nine a second time before I went to discovery.

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago

If you haven't seen Babylon 5, give that a shot. It's great. It's gritty like the good episodes of ds9 with none of the fluff.

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 3 days ago

Discovery may be canon, but I don't believe that the writers care all that much. They've certainly not made any effort to make it integrate with the rest of Trek.

Lower Decks on the other hand positively revels and the fact that it's canon.

I certainly know which is the more enjoyable of the shows as a result.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

They’ve certainly not made any effort to make it integrate with the rest of Trek.


It takes place between ENT and TOS and then in the far future. In every case they've done everything they can to have it fit with the timeline. They brought back Pike and Number One, actually giving her a name after 50 odd years. Then in the future they elaborate on the Romulan/Vulcan relationship and Spocks impact on the Unification he was seeking for in previous Treks. They honor every single actor and character they can by naming ships after passed actors or after characters. They build on to that lore. So yes. They do make an enormous effort to integrate it with the rest of Trek.

You can not like it, that's fine, but saying that they've not made any effort is an outright lie.

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I have a feeling you're going to get a lot of use out of this template.

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

I have two opinions that have not changed since 2016:

First, Discovery, as Star Trek and as science fiction in general, is terrible. Great ideas destroyed by some of the worst writing and direction in the industry.

I will not be taking any questions.

And second, in spite of that, Paul Stamets as a character is one of my favorite in Star Trek. (After the shrooms mellowed him out, of course.)

I'm glad you're sticking with your nick, it suits you and it's a good one to have.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Doesn’t hurt as much as LD confirming that Threshold wasn’t just Tom Paris’ fever dream.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

LD takes sadistic pleasure in making sure to confirm all the worst episodes are canon.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Hurts fans and disrespects canon. There's a reason why it abbreviates so nicely to STD.

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[-] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 days ago

It may be canon, doesn't make it good though. What an awful series.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
[-] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 days ago

Don't worry, got plenty of good Trek to (re)watch.

[-] unlawfulbooger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 days ago

Hell yeah dude!

All the characters in disco are amazing, it’s the main plot that gets ridiculous sometimes.

Don’t let bad writing ruin a great cast!

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[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

i feel like the answer to what is and isn't canon can be summed up with;

Why do the klingons look different?

They always looked like that, you just didn't notice before.

Canon has always been squishy. The Eugenics Wars takes place in the nineteen-nineties... oh but didn't Voyager's crew visit our nineties? Plus, DISCO had that Elon Musk name drop.

...so the timeline floats up as the present day does. Canon is just a vague sense of the things everyone agrees on.


I really dislike the fungus engine. You expect me to believe the Federation developed instant, consequence free warp but gave up on using it on literally any other ship? Silly. Very silly. Oh, but the precursor civilization doing a galaxy wide Genesis project is somehow an unimaginable technological feat.

And yes, I know STE covers the klingon flu. I just think They always looked like that was more elegant.

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[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

I like a lot of the characters. I just dislike the plot and writing. Stamets fucks.

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[-] noxy@yiffit.net 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I really enjoyed most of Discovery. Especially all the genuine queer representation, that shit was overdue. And Michael is a hell of a character, great but flawed and so on.

I just wish the spore drive didn't require the ship to spin around and make silly noises. That alone is responsible for a good 50% of the cringing I did while watching the series.

Doesn't hold a candle to DS9 in most respects tho, which I started rewatching after getting two episodes into the final season of Discovery

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