The amount of people here calling themselves ‘far-left’ and regurgitating republican talking points is insane.
Going from calling Biden too old (which isn’t wrong but he’s still the best viable option) to defending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine seamlessly.
(which isn’t wrong but he’s still the best viable option)
Whoa, hey now I very much object to the certainty of this claim.
Yeah, David Axelrod, senior Obama strategist credited with Obama's successful elections, Obama speech-writers and communications director, and now numerous long-serving Congressional democrats disagree but, totally the best viable option despite poll after poll showing he's massively down and Biden's own current campaign strategists reporting they see no viable path.
If your ship hit the iceberg and is taking on water, any other nearby vessel is a better alternative. At worst, it's in the same condition. At best, it's not fucking sinking. 75% of likely voters say Biden is too old to run and Democrats have a better chance with someone else at defeating Trump.
Disclaimer: we need to jump ship now but I'll vote for a corpse over Donald Trump. I just think we'll lose if we stick with Biden and the data shows it.
Then the Democrats can pick someone else NOW and rally behind them. This constant undermining of Biden while not providing a good alternative and promoting them is just hurting Democrats chances to save democracy. This is irresponsible on such an obvious level I have to assume they are trying to lose the presidency.
It's all about pressuring Biden in time before his nomination is locked in by the delegates. The moment that happens, this ends for better or worse.
If you're going to pressure an incumbent into dropping out you can't lead with "we'll figure out who the nominee is who can beat Trump eventually". You come to the board with a game plan and evidence. Calling for him to step down is fucking sabotage without all of that.
There's a Catch-22 here. Anyone who announces they're willing becomes persona non grata and nonviable, for stabbing the current candidate in the back before he's stepped down. But why would he step down if he can only be pressured if viable candidates have announced against him?
Which is why Harris, unfortunately, is most likely to nab the nomination. She's in just the right position to imply that she's ready to step up without saying anything that would lead to her being seen as 'not a team player' and troublesome for the party.
Anyone who announces they’re willing becomes persona non grata and nonviable, for stabbing the current candidate in the back before he’s stepped down.
None of this should have been done in public. Democrats calling for Biden to step down 1 day after the debate are idiots. This is internal party politics and while it would have leaked, it wouldn't have been democrats blasting their own party leader in public. They should have figured out who was the most popular, got a backup, got their support, and then went to Biden's campaign with their evidence. Then if he refused to step down, they maybe could do so in public. Or just wait for the pundits to trash Biden on their own instead of adding to it.
Division this late is the game is damning. Also Democrats are fair-weather supporters to a T. 1 bad debate and they throw the sitting POTUS under the bus? Yeah he looked old and made mistakes. But he isn't a fucking fascist. It's just unbelievable when Trump has been shitting the bed 24/7 for years.
The problem is there have been rumors of this kind of backdoor objection going on for a while now. I dismissed them as gossip at the time, but now that Congress members have gone public, I'm more inclined to believe them. These members going public, including a Senator, sounds much more like desperation after exhausting the quiet options.
It’s just unbelievable when Trump has been shitting the bed 24/7 for years.
It is deeply unfair that the Democratic presidential candidate must show exceptional performance, while the fascist presidential candidate can skate by shitting his pants and demanding his followers shit themselves in solidarity, but we're appealing to two different demographics.
I think you're looking at this all wrong. All data points to an inevitable Biden loss. Once you accept that, then the question of the alternative almost doesn't matter.
The problem is that you cannot in good conscience say that an 81-year-old with THAT debate performance is truly the best Democrats have to muster. If true, then that's fucking sad.
Now, I've written many write-ups, and now data supports it, showing that any alternative including Harris would fair better. Win? Not necessarily. But have a better chance? Absofuckinglutely.
Biden has to willingly step down, the Dem leadership made it clear they won’t attempt to force him. Progressives can’t try to force it either or they will be excised from the party and simultaneously blamed for the inevitable loss.
Biden hasn’t held a full cabinet meeting since last year, so 25th amendment probably not happening either.
And so, ramping up the pressure on Biden to do the right thing by stepping down is the only viable option at this time. It sucks, but this is the bed Biden and the DNC made to lie in.
I'm not sure I'd put much stock in modern polling.
A study suggests the debate had very little impact, but even if it didn't, historically, changing candidates this late hasn't worked out.
https://boingboing.net/2024/07/10/impacts-of-the-presidential-debate-far-overestimated.html
Axelrod’s jobs sound like he pretty much retired from active politics
Unfortunately, Biden may have lost too much support from his own party at this point. It's probably necessary for him to step down, regardless. You don't get Congresscritters of your own party calling for the presumptive nominee and incumbent to step down unless it looks godawful going into the election with the current ticket.
It's probably going to be Harris if he is replaced, which I'm... not thrilled with. But Blue no matter who. I'll vote for Biden if he's on the ticket in November - I'll vote for a fucking potato if I have to in order to oppose fascism. But he very well may be an electoral liability at this point, not a boon.
I'll vote for neoliberal dementia grandad to try to stop fascist dementia grandad, without hope, just to be able to say I did what I could to minimize harm.
That said, if you don't see the writing on the wall that our constitution and government has run out of road, cannot be repaired, is too corrupted, is basically a puppet of the owners of our rigged economy that works against most of us and humanity's future for a quick buck, and we need a new constitution and nation based in punishing and limiting greed/sociopathy and rewarding cooperation, then I don't know what planet you're on.
Even IF we miraculously manage to keep squeaking in Neoliberals to stop the fascists, the Neoliberals agree with the fascists that massive economic disruption for the sake of OUR ONLY HABITAT isn't acceptable, which means this new climate will continue to worsen at an accelerating rate.
I'd rather not scapegoat vulnerable groups as we fry, which is why I'll keep showing up, but this is water pumps on the Titanic, the outcome of accepting this framework is still drowning, just at 2:48am instead of 2:42am.
That said, if you don’t see the writing on the wall that our constitution and government has run out of road, cannot be repaired, is too corrupted, is basically a puppet of the owners of our rigged economy that works against most of us, and we need a new constitution and nation based in punishing and limiting greed/sociopathy and rewarding cooperation, then I don’t know what planet you’re on.
You could have said that at any point in the last 200+ years, and it would have been just as true.
Hopefully your optimism is correct.
It's a mixture of optimism and cynicism.
Things are bad, but also, they've always been bad. The fight is hard, but it's always been hard. We're a hair's breadth away from ruin, but we've almost always been a hair's breadth away from ruin. People are suffering terribly because of stupid, poorly constructed bullshit and won't let it go, but they've also always been doing so.
And yet within all that, sometimes, through great effort and sacrifice against the status quo, good things happen. And sometimes, great things happen. We have to believe that they still can happen if we fight for it.
At the same time, we have to recognize that many before us have fought insufficiently hard, or fought their hardest but still got screwed by circumstance, and DID fall into ruin. We have to recognize that as a possibility as well.
That being said, I would fucking dread a constitutional convention held at this point in time, regardless of the rules by which the population apportioned representatives to draft it.
It's unbelievable to me that someone outside of China would honestly defend Xi JinPing's policy. I mean, look for the first Chinese expat in your country. He/she probably has some dark story about illegal secret cops trying to bring him/her back home because of a Winnie the poo post on Twitter.
No, no, you see, it's Both Sides Just As Bad, and the UN doesn't know what it's talking about when it details the horrendous details of the Uyghur Genocide. Besides, have you BEEN there, LIBERAL? What do you know? /s
Talk to a citizen of your country and they'll be even more candid.
Xiren Zhao went straight in on how even her dyed in the wool party loyalist grandfather still gets sketched by some of the shit he knows the CCP has gotten up to.
I know a chinese person who is still sort of brainwashed (Very patriotic, still very skeptical about a lot of the stuff the west says about China, etc) and even they dislike Xi Jingping
I had a Tankie yesterday tell me that earning capital is a feature of communism.
It honestly made my week.
Learning about Nazbols really helped make it clear.
Why won’t liberals just let me eat my theater beans?!
What on earth are theater beans?!
I was referencing a fake quote that did the rounds awhile back:
"'I spilled baked beans all over myself watching Cars 2 in theaters & a black teenager shouted 'this n***a eating beans' & everyone laughed. That's when I decided to become a Republican.' Donald Trump. People Magazine, 1998"
Wow, that zero upvote anonymous reddit comment sure is relevant to talk about.
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