Any Paradox game. Oxygen Not Included. Factorio. Civilization. Rimworld. Dwarf Fortress. The list goes on.
For me I think it's about having non-stop and parallel mini problems/puzzles/goals. By the time one task is finished. There's two more to take its place.
This is definitely important in making the very most engaging base-builders - a pleasing mixture of longer term goals (manufacture this piece that I can eventually put in a future science pack or whatnot) and under-performing pieces of your older infrastructure that you have to scale up or re-plan is just so helpful for getting you into that flow state.
An observation inspired by your comment. I love video game narratives; I often hate video game storytelling. PDS games tell me stories but there's no cutscenes or stop in gameplay and the narratives are all dynamic.
I imagine Rimworld or Dwarf Fortress could be very dangerous for me.
Dwarf Fortress is, imo, much less crack-y than something like Factorio. It takes much less constant attention by how slow the game moves and how long your plans take to work out. I find my time in DF to be meditative and relaxing because I'm working towards a clear goal but can relax a lot of my reactions... Factorio is a game where you can do as fast as you can think (outside the early game) - even if you're waiting on something there is always something else to obsess over.
Factory games. Resource management... I get all caught up rebalancing inputs and outputs... This building needs an expansion to fit the new gears project... Over here we need more room for screws... Plates!?!? Why are all the plates gone!!!!! 🤬
I've only ever caught this with Factorio but it had me pretty bad. Do you have any other recommendations? I bought Dyson Sphere Program on sale but haven't tried it yet.
Satisfactory for me. I also bought Dyson Sphere on sale, but also haven't tried it yet.
1.0 drops right when I actually have time to take vacation, scratches the same itch as some of the old Minecraft mod packs (so does factorio, I just really like building factories lol) I just really love watching things whip around.
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Get that picture away from me. I quit that game for my family and my health. I can't let myself go back.... Not even once....
Shapez 2 recently released in early access (still has release sale). While I love Factorio, Shapez has no enemies and infinite resources. Might make it more boring, but sometimes I find it really nice to just build some belts and not to worry about some sub-base being run over.
The trailer for Shapez fucking slapped. Biters in Factorio pissed me right off but that just added urgency to get defences setup which just sucked me in deeper. I could never play without them. I derive too much satisfaction from wrecking their shit, after they've been such a nuisance.
And next thing you know it's the next morning. Which is why I don't play factorio too often.
Factorio. At one point I binged so much that I started seeing conveyor belts in my sleep.
Ah, the Tetris effect
factorio has stolen months from me
You're not alone. Factorio induces hyperfocus in the neurotypical. You and I never stood a chance.
I only have 1000 hours in Factorio, what are you up to?
This also my be a bad ideal telling you, but there is a DLC coming out for Factorio and boy does it look good.
Only 244.6 hours but 99% of those were within a two week period last winter.
Soon the factory will grow to other planets.
Sounds like there'll be shit growing on me by the time Factorio + Expansion lets go of me.
I’m surprised that no one have mention Tetris.
No one for rougelikes?
I dont even like them that much is just the only things I can play sometimes.
Honestly, it's depressing, but nothing solo anymore. Games were such a big part of my life, but now I can only focus and enjoy them with a friend. It can be the most basic game, but as long as I have a friend I'm locked in. Anytime I try playing a game just for me, it's like the dopamine just isn't generated 😭
For me it’s ARPGs, but specifically its Path of Exile. The visual stimulation combined with the dopamine hit when something good drops, plus a long term goal to make your character better. They release a new league every 3-4 months and I always pray it doesn’t consume my life for more than 2 weeks
For me, it's Fallout, Elder Scrolls, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy, Hearthstone and Stardew Valley.
But pretty much anything like those will do it if I'm enjoying myself.
Comment as to why I think PDS grand strategy games have this effect on me. PDS games are 'real time with pause' and they have overlapping systems that work on different timelines. It means that there's rarely a point to 'offramp' oneself, when you complete one task, you're simultaneously 70% through another task, and it's so easy just to chain 'well, I'll wait for this to finish' endlessly.
Competitive multiplayer matches like Dota however, with discrete matches where everything resets, gives me a (healthy) chance to 'disengage'. I couldn't ever imagine getting hyper-focused on them but I know that a lot of people are, which intrigues me.
I couldn't ever imagine getting hyper-focused on them but I know that a lot of people are, which intrigues me.
"Just one more..."
So, this is exactly why I started this thread! Rationally, I can see how it'd consume an ADHDer but emotionally, it just doesn't make sense. Just because I haven't personally experienced it. It's why I'm intrigued to hear from people. Though most of the responses so far are other genres I too have hyperfocused on.
Euro Truck Simulator
Kerbal Space Program
KSP pulls me in for awhile until some bullshit bug ruins a mission I spent hours on
Vampire Survivor.
It's very much like a Dragon Ball super fusion. For the next 20-30 minutes... I am fused with the game.
Management games where I can play really slowly and focus on small details, normally on very hard mode too so a lot of the easy ones don't make the cut.
Football Manager and Software Inc are probably the ones I go back to most often.
Also 99% of the games I play I never complete...
Quick and twitchy FPS games. Reason I was so upset when roblox ditched wine support is because it deprived me of my daily dose of randomizer and bad business.
As a general rule, I tend to focus on a title or a series of {books,tv,movies,games,musician,etc}, consume it to death over the course of a handful of weeks/months, then lose interest and never touch it ever again.
I had a big Soulslike phase in the middle of the pandemic. Before that it was Rocket League. I’ve gamed very little these last months in between a million consecutive life events, but the little time I had to play was almost exclusively on Monster Hunter (I just reached Iceborne in MHW).
The one game I had a legitimately problematic relationship with was Counter Strike, as a teen and young adult. Nowadays, I still have the general game sense but the reflexes and skills are long gone, and I don’t have the time to dedicate to getting to a level I’d feel good at.
Power wash sim has stolen 100 hours from me in about a month of ownership.
Yeah, anything competitive is too stressful for me to be able to just play for hours on end. I'm playing Deadlock at the moment and I'm typically taking a break after every one or two games just to control my mood.
Football Manager was the worst for me I'd say. Consumed months at a time. Civilization can eat a day easily if you're not careful. Really, anything I can control the pace of that I get interested in and that doesn't have a story. I enjoy narrative games, but they require a different type of focus and concentration that takes a lot more energy. I can't play those for days on end, even hours on end. I can get obsessed by them, and I can play tons of hours over the course of a week, but I don't hyperfocus on them the same way.
Anything management or strategy however, where you're working for incremental progress and "just one more turn"? That's dangerous. Last little obsession I had was Esports Godfather, a MOBA themed deckbuilder/autobattler/management game that has probably been my surprise hit of the year and which was gloriously addicting.
Furthermore, I don't often feel like I'm 'enjoying' it. I'm just consumed by it.
Recognise this feeling very well, from a lot of things when I hyperfocus on it. It's almost a sensation like nausea, that palpable feeling of not being in control, for me at least. Especially bad when I briefly snap into self-awareness - but not enough to break out of the hyperfocus.
I am not sure what to call the genera but there is something so very consuming and soothing about Papers Please. It’s hard to describe how that game pokes just the right parts of my brain meat but it does. A major part of the game is learning patterns and picking out the pieces that are out of place and my goodness does my brain get a kick out of finding typos, inconsistent city locations, and mis-matching information between documents. I need to process an avalanche of information quickly but it doesn’t feel overwhelming, instead it is oddly soothing. The game is also short enough that I can binge and get to the end without ruining my life unlike something more open ended like Oxygen not Included.
Basebuilders, 4Xs, Incrementals, and Survival Crafters
Once I burn out I try to stay away as long as possible for the sake of getting other things done and having a sane sleep schedule.
Compare with RPGs, farm sims, platformers, action adventure games, and roguelikes, which I can pick up and put down much more easily without disrupting other aspects of my life.
Thanks for providing examples that you enjoy but don't induce hyper-focus. I relate to the 'consciously' avoiding aspect. Sadly PDS games are only ever like 2GB downloads, so uninstalling them only buys me like an hour of freedom.
What are Incrementals, out of curiosity?
Incremental games are a bit of an "I know it when I see it" grouping, but two typical characteristics are progression systems nested within each other and game loops that start simple but "flower" into a number of more detailed and mutually interacting ones over the course of play.
Universal Paperclips is a nice example, casting you as a newly built AI with the goal of making as many paperclips as you can. You start out able to make paperclips and sell them to humans for funds you can then use to invest in more capabilities. You work on building trust with the humans so they'll let you do more things, and on making more clips faster, and there is a lot of escalation from these humble beginnings.
Some other good ones are Cookie Clicker and, if you're into programming puzzles, Bitburner.
I can barely put down Ace Attorney style games. I love experiences where I get to unravel a mystery.
It's also really easy to spend a long time grinding in old school Maple. Just monotonous enough to be soothing, just active enough to keep my attention on it.
High speed first person shooters like Titanfall 2 or the finals; the complete opposite, meticulous, and slow shooters like Rainbow 6: Siege
Anything that has set turns or levels with natural points to pause. The short time commitment make it easier to "one more turn" my way into playing for hours.
XCOM 2 is phenomenal for this.
Every time I've tried to play XCOM EW or XCOM 2 I'm having a great fun time, and then it seems a new Alien type drops which just wrecks my shit out of nowhere and I get so angry that I quit and don't come back.
If I were good at video games, they'd have no doubt ruined me as PDS games have.
Games where the purpose is to optimize productivity, efficiency, and achieving accomplishments improve effectiveness. Or complex/realistic simulation games. So games like SimCity, Tropico, Kerbal Space Program, and MS Flight Simulator 2020.
It's just too rewardingggg 🫨
Minecraft, if I've got a project to do.
I run a local server so that I can play with my kid, but I'm the one who has to actually get things done. Simple things like looking for diamonds is enough to keep me playing for hours. I'll find a vein, and I think that's not enough, I need to find more, so I'll find half a dozen more veins, but then my brain switches to the 'I may as well carry on' mindset.
I mined a mountain down to ground level recently because the top was spoiling the view from our village, and once I started, it was quite soothing.
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