shit down the government

I don't know if this was a typo, but it's rather appropriate either way.

“Walkouts allow a relatively small number of lawmakers to nullify the will of the majority, and that is to the detriment of our democracy,” Alejandro Queral, executive director of the Oregon Center for Public Policy, said in an emailed statement.

There it is. Being a shithead should cost you.

I think "fucking democracy" is their end goal here.

I get the sentiment, and am also so, so tired of this. But. It's an election year and Biden is currently president. In other words, these freaks will absolutely shut down the government, actively harm the economy, and reduce our national security because they can then blame democrats and it will help elect Trump. Please vote, donate, and volunteer accordingly....

I suspect the redhats would just interpret the votes being blocked were for "illegals" and that this was a good thing. Because they've been told this repeatedly.

They have extremely effective propaganda (fox) that just claims the exact opposite every time it happens and slightly more than half of the country’s land (not people) believe it.

I don’t think they are conservatives, although they call themselves that. Democrats are conservatives.

Classic conservatives conserve: this is a mob who could not individually list one thing they want to keep from changing. They want as much change that makes them the most money

It's worked every other time Republicans have shut down the government. Why wouldn't they get their way this time?

Who you kidding, they'll form a line to do it.

The shutdown would be triggered by Congress not passing a funding bill, something that's happened 3 times since 2013, and the supreme would continue to get paid if this happens.

Maggots don't care and they will blame the Democrats for the shutdown

I'm not convinced it's a bluff. As an outsider looking in, I'm going to tell you how I see this sort of situation.

The Republicans have embraced the Trump way of just accepting you're the bad guy, knowing your diehards will vote for you anyway. Whereas the Democratic members and voters expect responsibility from their party leaders.

So in a shutdown, the Republicans lose nothing, and the Democrats can lose everything.

The elections are run by the states, not the federal government. Congress keeps working during a shutdown. I can't see how it would hinder the election.

It would have unpredictable effects on the election though, so I can't imagine they really want to risk it.

This usually places undue burden on women, poor and generally anybody not a white dude.

Say you are a woman, okay you've got your certified copy of your birth certificate $10-but wait the name doesn't match because you got married.

Now you need a marriage certificate, thats another $10 and the trouble of contacting another municipal office.

Oh were you married twice? Thats tracking down another 2 municipal offices, another $10 marriage cert and now a certified judgement of divorce which will cost-ooh was your children's custody agreement a part of that? $40. Did you not remember your divorce file number from 30 years ago? It'll be an additional $5 per name per every 2 years searched.

I've seen women spend like $200 just on certified copies to get a realID driver's license. Has a chilling effect on registering, to solve a problem of voter fraud that doesn't really exist.

What issue is it trying to solve? To my knowledge electoral fraud is so extremely rare in general (article cites figures in the double digits since 2000) let alone non-citizen voting, what this is though is anti-voter legislation, part of their election denial bullshit

McTurtle cares about only 1 thing, power. He is nothing if not shrewd. The man would sell his wife out as a chinese spy if he thought it woild give the GOP an edge

I have always thought that the American voting system is... Odd? I read you need to register every now and then in order to be able to vote? In Mexico we all get an ID issued by the federal government as you turn 18, and it is valid for pretty much anything, including voting. It is valid for years, you can vote as long as you have it on your possession. Updating your address or getting a reposition is free, and we even now allow Mexicans living abroad ( undocumented or not) to vote.

Granted, the system is not perfect, but I believe an important part of a democracy is to make participating in it as convenient as possible.

Yup, it's interesting how so many of these universal ID for voting laws don't also include an easy, convenient, and free means for all citizens to get IDs.