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[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 47 points 3 days ago

I don't want to sound like a Putinist gigafascist, but I think Ukraine may have more than one problem.

[-] Weedian@hexbear.net 43 points 3 days ago

Their cope cages

Our ingenious improvised protection

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

I prefer "Munitions Stand-Off Fence" but I just call them cope cages normally

[-] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It took 30 years for T-72 to finally get its revenge.

During the 1991 Gulf War, the Soviet made T-72 tanks suffered a severe reputation loss, when thousands of Iraqi T-72M (the export, stripped down version of T-72A) laid burning in the desert. Even though only a fraction of them were actually knocked out by M1A1 Abrams, and most of the losses were due to US air superiority, a well organized propaganda campaign was run to depict Soviet military equipments as so overhyped that they turned out to be complete trash.

It was a total propaganda victory for the American military industrial complex. In fact, the reputation of the T-72 was so bad that Russia had to rename its successor “T-72BU” (Project 188) to “T-90” to avoid the association. (T-90 is still one of the best performing tanks that have since taken on the British Challenger and German Leopards in the Ukraine War).

It would be more than 30 years before the T-72s would face the M1 Abrams on the battlefield once more, and this time - we finally have a good picture (literal photographs) of how the M1 Abrams fared against the T-72s without air support. History has finally vindicated the Soviet design - still one of the best designed tanks to exist today despite its age.

[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

Also as far as I’ve heard Iraq’s army just simply sucked at tank warfare strategizing

[-] dinklesplein@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

it's slightly cope to say that the iraqi army was incompetent imo

like it was probably about as good as the nva, coalition just had an enormous advantage in sensors tech. proto-digital army vs analog army

[-] newacctidk@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

can I see the pictures?

found some of the aftermath

could someone tell me what exactly I am seeing in this video? https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1766891196989706377/video/2

[-] CommCat@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Can't wait for the first F-16 to be shot down by the Russians. Ukraine already lost one, but it supposedly crashed instead of being shot down by the Russians. There is also a high chance that it was shot down by their own air defence lol, either way the air chief was canned instantly.

These US/NATO wunderwaffe are not so wonderful when faced with an equal foe. Their biggest selling points were that they were tested in real world combat, but it's easy to look amazing against much weaker armies. Same thing with all these American mercs who thought it was gonna be another walk in the park like Iraq lol

[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

Not only their own air defense, but a patriot missile lol

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago

They should just do what I did in every game of Command & Conquer

Send every single tank they have out on a Death or Glory strike

Then when the Brotherhood of Nod (Russia[the bad guys]) is busy fighting the tanks, you send an APC holding a single engineer to capture their Mobile Construction Unit and win the game

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

literally Kursk offensive (if it can even be called that)

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

Well, give it another year or so and it'll get its pejorative nickname

Something like Zelensky's Folly or the Kursk Krunch

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago
[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago
[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago

Engineer, trying to figure out where the construction yard went

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago

The tank losses om both sides has been staggering tbh

[-] someone@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

I'm wondering if the traditional tank is just plain obsolete in the age of drones.

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

Shit against Russia's navy drones were pretty effective. Those things are something else

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

I seriously wonder if the future of warfare is going to be about who can field the most drones and there are few (if any) actual troops anywhere near the battlefield. Even a little 8" drone armed with a 9mm firearm could be more effective than having a rifleman that needs to eat, sleep, and is at risk of dying. If your drone "dies," it's not an issue because the operator with experience is 100 miles away and just switches to a different drone.

Nations with more manufacturing capabilities and stronger economies no longer have to worry about troops. Their experienced pilots can't be harmed, so they're only limited by how much material they can send out into the field. Casualties become a thing of the past. Even better is you can salvage your damaged drones or even enemy drones. That's something you can't do with people.

[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

we need to retvrn to napoleonic warfare where both sides march in unison to the front lines, and only shoot when commanders on both sides give the signal at the same time

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[-] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago

Last week I had one of my libs grinning while talking about how Ukraine has Russia on the ropes after their own "special military operation" into Russian territory.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 days ago

libs continue to live in an alternate reality

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

Libs are delusional

[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago

Maybe if they got 32 tanks the tides of war would change

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

Seriously though I don't know why they thought a few dozen Abrams would do anything. The US deployed over 2,000 tanks during Desert Storm and that was basically a skirmish compared to what's going on in Ukraine.

[-] someone@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

My theory is that the NATO MIC is treating the war like a lab experiment. They give Ukraine a handful of export versions of all sorts of different hardware, then see how the Russian military takes them out for their own R&D purposes.

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[-] YourHomieRobespierre@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

Still love the ~~truck~~ tank!

[-] emiellr@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago

The tanks can be as realiable as can be, but ain't nobody can do smth about the air being full of drones...

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 47 points 3 days ago

They suck anywhere that doesn't have infrastructure to support their 65+ ton heavy asses

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 37 points 3 days ago

I was like, "no fucking way", so I looked it up:

it is one of the heaviest tanks in service at nearly 73.6 short tons (66.8 metric tons).

capitaldcolon This motherfucker weighs more than a Ferdinand tank destroyer......... that is one thicc main battle tank...

[-] Judge_Juche@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago

American weight creep. Like the newest Bradleys weight like 30 tons, slightly heavier than a WW2 medium tank and twice as heavy as a BMP (which the Bradley was suppose to be a copy of).

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

Just like the cars, joke country.

[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

americans' idea of a small vehicle: cadillac eldorado biarritz

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

Does this mean the US will actually try to create Bolo tanks due to sheer hubris?

[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

Big Gulp Tank

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 days ago

now look at the weight of the NAMER IFV

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[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

Namer is basically a main battle tank with people instead of a gun

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

Genius tactical design...

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago

heavier than a T90 if I remember correctly

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago

They should have sat on them all and used them in the Kursk offensive primarily on roads instead of having them sink in soft soil across Ukrainian fields where they get wrecked by artillery and drones.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago

Honestly would've been light-years ahead of the strategy they used

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago

"Are Abrams tanks getting long in the tooth, impractical for actual use, and approaching obsolescence? No, it is the drones that are wrong."

[-] StalinistApologist@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

Thats about 64.5161290322580%!

tankie

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

It is time to work on my stormworks tank again (has a tiny turret, light weight)

[-] ahriboy@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago

Expect that autoloader variant of M1A2 Abrams, AbramsX would lose soon.

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