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[-] joshcodes@programming.dev 57 points 3 weeks ago

Run it in your head, find the edge cases yourself, fix the bug... weakling.

Or do what I do in real life which is patch in new bugs and even a security flaw or two.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago

the energy of a chaotic neutral?
"maybe it'll work, maybe it won't, but it'll be FUN"

or chaotic evil?
"naw. fuck y'all's weekend.

[-] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

Merging failing tests so everybody else has failing tests and wastes time figuring out why.

Nothing neutral here

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I haven’t played DnD in like 20 years. Is β€œChaotic Dickhead” an alignment now?

[-] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

That's basically just chaotic neutral

[-] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

That's what the pipeline is for. It's not that hard to pinpoint the commit that lead to the errors.

[-] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

If I rebase my branch with main I do not expect any failing tests. If you waste my time merging shit code, fuck you. Fix your shit.

Unless prod is on fire and the CEO is prowling (even then, I'd argue standards should be maintained)

[-] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

I don't say this is good practice, you shouldn't even be able to merge to main with failing tests. I've implemented an emergency flag to do this, but I don't want to use it in normal, daily business.

[-] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"maybe it'll work, maybe it won't, but it'll be FUN"

Flashback to that Tom Cruise Scientology interview 🀣:

It really is ... Fun.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

On a scale of one to translunar orbit, how freaking high was he?

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago
[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago

Tests are just booby traps for the other engineers so they don't break your code by mistake.

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Its funny cause its true. I often design tests to be "if a case/enum value is added this test will explode and tell them to add code here"

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 8 points 3 weeks ago

This is why I like strong type systems with exhaustivity checks

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Saaaaame. But sometimes even strongly typed stuff wont break on compilation time

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 1 points 3 weeks ago

'spose that's true enough

[-] xep@fedia.io 33 points 3 weeks ago

Real programmers test in production.

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 3 weeks ago
[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago

They were under a lot of pressure.

[-] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 weeks ago

They were under a lot of pressure.

It was sink or swim.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

No time to cave in

[-] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You mean like this?

Or like this?

What does that mean, 'To play us out'?

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago
[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

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[-] cheddar@programming.dev 16 points 3 weeks ago

Users will test, don't waste your energy.

[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 weeks ago

tests are for confirming your code STILL works if someone ever changes something

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

While I know that these days, bugs in code can cause real-world harm (personal info leaks, superannuation records lost, lol google), I find it humorous to think of the equivalent, even worse outcomes in my discipline (chemical/process engineering).

"Didn't do any checks, fuck it, I know this calculation is fire πŸ”₯"

Later: πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ’₯

[-] mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

It’s more: I have routed a few pipes in our test system and it’s now spitting out water known to be contaminated but now should have some extra sprinkles in so it’s fine.

What I’m saying is it’s even worse than didn’t do any checks. It’s willfully ignoring existing checks intentionally.

[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 20 points 3 weeks ago

Oh I trust my code, but I don't trust my coworkers not to break something on the very next commit.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 13 points 3 weeks ago

I get a small amount of joy from clicking the "request changes" button and blocking some doofus from merging lazy untested code.

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

I love going into a PR with 3 approvals already and shitting all over it

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 13 points 3 weeks ago

I physically reacted to this post with a combination of disgust, anger, and fear. Do tests. All of the tests. Randomize the order in which your tests run. Cover all branches.

[-] hollyberries@programming.dev 10 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

Users are the acceptance testers.

[-] Kissaki@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It baffles me when people use flex layout when it's clearly visually a grid layout. Nothing here is flexing with varying element sizes and auto-fill-wrap-break of items.

A colleague of mine prefers flex too. But to me, grid is so much more intuitive and simple.

https://css-tricks.com/quick-whats-the-difference-between-flexbox-and-grid/

[-] hollyberries@programming.dev 2 points 3 weeks ago

Tbh I'm not a web person (more of a backend person) and don't know the recommended practices. display: grid; is a good friend of mine xD

[-] Kissaki@programming.dev 2 points 3 weeks ago

I think using display: grid; as your default is the better default, so you're all set. :)

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

Why do you need either? Just throw the both in the html

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago

People can pull from my cold, dead hands.

(though I'm usually only using it to display some status just for me and not for external consumption; the UI side can have a JSON if it ever comes to that).

I used to be a full-stack dev, but I've been pure backend for so long now, everything I knew is outdated or deprecated.

[-] kjaeselrek@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

everything I knew is outdated or deprecated

Given the way the frontend world seems to work, this means you’ve been backend-only for at least a week lol

[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Weak code lacks tests

Alt: if strength relies on unity I need to switch to game dev

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

"Tester, c'est douter"

[-] velvetThunder@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

You can't trust others to not break your wonderful code. Write tests for the regression.

[-] off_brand_@beehaw.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Just wow bug free code y'all smh

[-] PenisDuckCuck9001@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

The best way is to try it over and over until it works and then assume it works but then go insane wondering where all the edge case bugs are coming from.

I wrote a test one time.

this post was submitted on 24 Sep 2024
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