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[-] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 175 points 1 month ago

A lot of his value is tied up in assets that aren’t liquid (real estate). Also he is probably not worth as much as he says.

But the main reason is that these “cheap crap” things you mention are probably vehicles for money laundering from foreign actors. The best example are the NFTs he was hawking for awhile. Costs next to nothing to make and foreign states can buy a ton of them to give him money without it being easy to detect. Even if it is detected it is still legal to buy silly NFTs, right? Certainly more so than a foreign government giving a candidate bags of cash for nothing.

[-] mkwt@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Foreign nationals, let alone foreign governments, are not allowed to give money to political campaigns in the United States. Actually illegal. Bill Clinton got in trouble for it

If you can prove that an NFT scheme was foreign campaign money laundering in court, people can go to jail.

[-] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 115 points 1 month ago

For sure. But of course dude tried a coup on live tv and we are having trouble getting the justice system to hold him to account. So getting proof of the NFT scheme that I outlined as a hypothetical is probably going to be harder.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Partially because the coup is coming from inside the house. Representatives, senators, and SCOTUS seats already planted.

[-] Windex007@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago
[-] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

How does one go about proving that money laundering occurred? Genuinely curious because I know it's illegal. I guess you'd need to catch someone admitting that they did it?

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

It's not campaign money. It's the "honest fruits of labor" that he "earned" by selling products. Even though every normal person can see that he's a fucking grifter, maga morons can't. So, now he has plausible deniability for any money "earned" in this "honest day's work".

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[-] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I see his wife has a Xmas collection for sale including NFT's.

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[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 63 points 1 month ago

Because he's not actually a billionaire.

Lists of rich people like Forbes primarily use number approved by the individuals through various means. We know for a fact thanks to the recent fraud case in NY that the Trump Org regularly inflated nearly every number about their business, especially real estate. They regularly inflated the value of property for things like loans and underestimated the value for taxes.

Trump is well known for requesting people not question his finances in collaborative events like his Comedy Central roast where he can control it.

People with actual money doesn't care about that. And that's just the tip of the monetary iceberg. We've learned a lot since Trump decided to run for President the first time. It was probably the worst thing he could have done to keep his grifts running smoothly.

[-] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Was he ever a billionaire?

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

I'm sure he was at one point, then as he began losing money on terrible ideas, because he's an idiot, he started lashing out into any random crap he could to try and stabilize it. Taking out dozens of foreign loans with inflated numbers, and constantly ending up underwater in those, needing more to further the process, like a debt-based ponzi scheme where no one actually makes any money in the end, not even the banks.

He managed to bankrupt a casino. They basically print money, yet he managed to run one right out of business.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

He lost the casino because he wasn't willing to play ball with the family. He thought he could be a big shot and say what happens and found out you don't try and cut in on the business of the family without giving tribute.

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[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 month ago
[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Now now, he's not lying lying, he's just really into "alternative appraisal and accounting methods". Kinda like that aunt who does her own research and swears by essential oils and homeopathy, but with money.

Let me give you an example. Let's say that I have a truck load of coarse sand, like 25 tons. I manage to sell a single 10mg grain of sand for 1 USD. By appraising my sand based fortune on this single data point, I could claim that a gram is worth 100 USD, thus I have 2.5 billion USD tied up in sand. We both know that I obviously can't liquidate my sand for that amount, but that doesn't matter, because all I need is to convince a bank that my appraisal is sound and then use the sand as collateral for a 100 million USD loan. Some of that loan I'll further invest in the sand business, after all it's booming. More sand equals more collateral, and seeing as one bank was satisfied with my collateral, then I will be able to get other banks in on it too. And now I can live like a billionaire, all because I have invested in coarse sand. And if the banks figure out that I'm full of it, then what are they going to do? Take me to court and look like idiots for buying into my sand appraisal? And risk bankruptcy as it's revealed that the collateral the bank has for its lending business is worthless? Better to keep quiet and prop up the sand mogul.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 month ago

the man made all of his money through debt maxing and then defaulting, dude is a conman, nothing else to it.

That and the apprentice, those are the only way he has ever gotten money.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Didn't that "buy real estate for cheap above buildings so they'd have to buy it back to expand upwards" scheme also make some money? He needed some way to gain credit in the first place that wouldn't just disappear when he started defaulting on everything.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

he also got 400 million from his dad, and then also managed a block of racially segregated apartments with his dad as well, so.

[-] modifier@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago

The better question the media should really be asking him every single chance they get - when they aren't continuing to grill him about Laura Loomer - is, "if the economy is so bad under Biden/Harris and your supporters are living paycheck to paycheck, why do you think there is a market for $100,000 watches?"

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 1 month ago

The media that he pays to provide him endless PR?

Do you really expect regime whores to do journalism?

[-] echo@lemmings.world 8 points 1 month ago

The media don't work for him. He works for the media. The media work for the billionaires.

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 29 points 1 month ago

One thing that people didn't mention yet: this is the behavior that made him (stay) a billionaire. You don't get to be one by being nice and non-exploitative.

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

He's a narcissistic grifter. He gets satisfaction from making money and a feeling of superiority for screwing people over in the process. No amount of money will ever be enough to fill the void of his missing humanity.

[-] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I concur. Having a gold plated toilet speaks for itself.

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[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Rule number one of being rich; don't spend your own money.

[-] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Is rule number two to never let them see you broke?

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[-] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 20 points 1 month ago

He has to create opportunity for foreign actors to funnel money to him.

It's not illegal to sell a $1,000 watch for $100,000. That way he doesn't have to actually launder the money.

[-] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I have 4 unrelated email addresses on 4 separate domains and I get solicited for Trump Wine at least once a month on all of them. His spam game is on point.

[-] Holyginz@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

He's never been a billionaire lol

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago

Wealth isn't the same as money in bank. Most of Trump's wealth is tied into properties. You can't pay for groceries with a skyscraper. That's why many wealthy people borrow money for everyday spending rather that liquidate (sell) their assets. This applies to pretty much every wealthy person. When someone is a billionaire it doesn't mean they're hoarding billions of cash in bank.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

they're hoarding billions of cash in bank

Lemmy's understanding of wealth right there.

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[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Trump has a lot of wealth on paper, but a lot of it is tied up in real estate, which isn't the easiest thing to turn into cash when you need it. And a lot is tied up in stock, but since he got caught fixing the books for the Trump Organization, he can't really use that as his personal piggybank without a lot of scrutiny. And Truth Social is worth over a billion on paper but will crash if he starts to sell any of his stock, which would cause a lot of new problems right now.

Meanwhile, he is burning through money at an insane rate. I mean historically, he's lost far more money than he's ever been worth. He's always had to have new businesses and schemes to cycle through as the old ones crumble. He basically never made a profit until the Apprentice, and that actually caused problems because he'd structured his operations around losing money, leaving other people holding the bag when things go completely south, writing off the loses for tax purposes, and, well, cooking the books.

But with hundreds of millions in judgements against him, on top of the hundred million plus in legal fees, he's in a bit of a bind. He already had to put a $175 million up for bond to appeal the judgment civil judgment against the Trump Organization. If he loses the appeal, he's out not just the $175 million, but the full $489 million judgement, plus about $115k a day in interest. Plus he's got the E Jean Carroll judgments and ongoing cases because he's a dumb bastard that can't stop himself from committing defamation every time he leaves a courthouse after losing a defamation case.

While he has been funneling money from his PAC to cover his legal bills that only goes so far, and as I understand it, he can't use that for actual judgements against him. If he loses the election, he may be fighting legal battles for years to come, that PAC money will likely dry up, and if he doesn't have the cash when the court demands it, he could see his assets seized and auctioned off. If he wins the election, he can do basically anything and we're all fucked.

So to simplify this a bit, imagine that he spent almost all his money on a lot of properties without getting a single monopoly, while his opponent has hotels on the dark blue and green properties. He keeps trying to survive the gauntlet and pass go to stay in the game, and maybe he can survive by mortgaging everything, but it's much easier for him if he has the cash to pay the bill.

[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

He's a grifter no matter how much money he does or doesn't have.

Also, the debate shouldn't be if trump is or isn't a billionaire. It's if billionaires should even exist.

They shouldn't.

[-] zcd@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

That's his schtick, he's actually just a billionaire cosplayer

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 month ago

grifters gotta grift

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

billionaire once, grifter since

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

He's a liar.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

“Supposed to be” - this is why

[-] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago

Umm... Isn't that what Amazon does at a global scale?

[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago
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