Yeah its just that if you suggest this people treat you like you are insane. People love to bring up privilege and revoke your "ally card" and whatnot as if third party voters and politically aware non-voters haven't heard it all for decades. The conversation is always so stale. It's so hard to convince people the election is a red herring. I can't even bring myself to judge people anywhere near as harshly based on the election because it just isn't that important.

Simple, they're now openly pro border wall, openly pro genocide....

oh, you meant change for the better.

Yeah I’ll be honest after the last 4 years I am not convinced the Republicans are the bigger threat

Things have been demonstrably, measurably worse under Biden than Trump. Is that due to the republicans incompetence, rather than a difference in goals? Probably, but the fact remains, Biden has done more harm than Trump.

The Dems literally didn't change on their one demand lol

I hear people say they think it pushes the country to the left somehow, even though when I point out all the recent Dem election wins, they just blame Republicans for sabatoging everything. In other words, they just don't pay attention and are deeply unserious but still have a moral stake somehow.

All this does is invite people to use ML as bait to draw them through the gates of hell. There is no ideology you can call yourself that frees you from criticism.

I will say however, that MLs, whether they are ideologically agreeable or shakey, likely understand the stakes and will quickly reject a lot of bait your average liberal will take. Still, there are a number of things that can be used to create a pipeline that draws marxists to neoliberalism and we would do well to know we are not free from propaganda or the processes of capital. Workers have been used to advance empire and we can be certain this is not limited to a distant past.

will backstab what they believe

I mean, they're not endorsing anyone. Harris Dems are going to be the ones screaming "Backstabbed!"

Only trust communists in politics.

glances at InfraRed, the CPUSA, etc

Besides...

While Abandon Harris has yet to endorse one individual ahead of the presidential election, the group told MEE it is urging voters to back third-party candidates towards eventually "breaking the duopoly” of the US electoral system.

Literally what else are you asking from a bunch of electoralists? They're championing a boycott of the pro-genocide duopoly. Seems like that's as good as you're going to get from a voter advocacy organization.