Obviously prohibition doesn't work, but banning disposables specifically should be mandated everywhere. It is insane that a product that contains rechargeable lithium batteries is not rechargeable, or if it is it must be thrown away after less than a month.
I think in this case prohibition should work fine...
The alternative is just... Get a non-disposable one and learn a bit of maintenance. Jesus.
Disposable vapes are easier to hide from parents since you can just throw them away, and also you don't have to worry too much if your teacher confiscates them because they're disposable.
With a non-disposable vape, suddenly things become a lot harder for vaping teenagers.
I'm not suggesting we let teenagers vape, I'm just saying there's a reason teenagers like the disposable ones.
I'd consider this a plus. They're not going to keep manufacturing these just so teenagers can buy them on a grey/black market. Teenagers will still be able to get their hands on vapes, but less consistently.
Well it'll work in this case because they're not banging people from doing something they're banning companies from doing something.
If a product is not available for sale then it's difficult for people to purchase it
People throw them out of their car windows too. I see them on the ground all the time. Insanity.
The disposable black market & associated disproportionate rise in youth vaping in Australia results from the illegality of all vapes, not just disposables. It's hard to imagine it becoming a burgeoning black market predicated solely on that vapers find the highly available, better value, relatively environmentally friendly option untenable. Overall a sensible move I think coming from a pro-vape perspective
What was the rationale for banning all vapes in Australia? Seems excessive. Are cigarettes banned too?
To address youth vaping. The outcome of that has been that youth vaping is significantly higher than in other OECD member countries, and kids are now getting them from the 'vape dealer' whom may have other illicit drugs available. Cigarettes aren't banned, only made unaffordable via progressive excise tax. That's had its own unintended consequences of launching a new market for "chop chop" i.e. illegally grown unprocessed tobacco, as well as black market imports that sidestep the plain packaging laws, and tobacco gang wars in Sydney and Melbourne.
Tobacco companies weren't making money off them, no juul equivalent here, nothing from Marlboro/Phillip Morris ECT. Big lobbies to push the government. A year past the ban on vapes and I can still find them everywhere.... Except from the doctors and pharmacies that are meant to be selling legal replacements.
Cigarettes and tobacco products are highly taxed. Why they didn’t go down that route I’ll never understand.
it's insane they ever took hold. in the 20 fucking 20s. people look at my refillable mod like I'm holding a walkman
As someone who is using a nicotine vape to wean off of nicotine, I still don't understand why people buy disposable ones.
It's less cost-effective, less customizable, and more sketchy.
It's easy.
It's closer in spirit to buying a pack of smokes, it's easy to just grab one on the way somewhere, less of an issue if you lose it or have to toss it(like at some concert venues), easier to give to your friends, and generally they are much smaller, so easier to conceal.
Maybe I've just been lucking out, but every concert venue I've been to recently has let me in with my vape. I usually tell the security person I have it on me, and then they tell me it's fine and pass me through. You're right though, it would suck to have to toss it.
I don't agree with the "smaller" part though. Most of the disposable units I see are thicker and wider than my refillable one, since they need to be long-lasting as a value proposition. I think the main draw is probably pure convenience.
Definitely pure convenience and flavor.
Wife bought one (even though we have refillables) and damn if it doesn't taste really fucking good, hits perfectly without needing to fuck with it.
Still don't think we should make it a regular thing because it's so wasteful
Personally I think they're useful for one thing and one thing only, a gig/night out. When you don't want to have some kind of battery pack to recharge your vape so you have a couple disposables in your pocket, and if you lose it, shrug, it cost a couple quid.
That said, I back this ban wholeheartedly
Good. We had perfectly reasonable rebuildables for so long.
And then Juul made disposables popular and in came waves of China disposables.
Good start. Now expand to all current and future battery devices. Honestly, disposable battery devices are a bad, out of date idea. Doing nothing but long term harm to the environment.
But nothing will change until firms are forced to do so. It's just time until the next huge disposable trend if it is not addressed now.
I saw a disposable vape with a screen and Bluetooth/mic built in. You could play games on it and take calls. That is a ridiculous amount of e-waste.
now where will bigclive get free discarded lithium cells?
Shouldve been banned three years ago, but those investors wouldn’t make buck. Now that they did we can care for the environment.
Based.
Should've been done years ago.
we need a clean, biodegradable version of vapes. maybe use some form of paper? and instead of juice just use the actual leaves from the tobacco plant
Why paper? Why not just use the leaves?
And instead of pasteurizing it and adding a bunch of chemicals, we just let it sit and develop on its own? Naturally fermented like everything else that tastes complex and amazing?
We just invented cigars.
Would this create less waste than buying one vape and using it forever?
It would fuck up the environment with butts like it always has. Cigs are shit for the environment, birds eat them and die and they're everywhere. Can't wait for them to completely die out.
Good. The batteries alone being disposable is insane. https://stoke.nub.news/news/local-news/staffordshire-university-graduate-uses-disposable-vape-batteries-to-power-electric-scooter-197624
not smoke/vape related.. but I remember buying a couple of these one shot power banks. Disposable thing, it was in like a pouch rather than a case. I did some googling... it looked a lot like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Boostrcharge-Pre-Charged-Emergency-Hurricane-Preparedness/dp/B0BGMK7NWV?th=1
link disclaimer, DO NOT buy this crap
but it was about 10 years ago, they were like a quid each and I think I saw a basket of them at a market stall or something and I got 2. Anyway, lived in my work rucksack for a very long time, never being needed. I lost one, and the otherone the pouch got a bit damaged, so I thought sod it, lets open it.
Couldn't believe it, I was expecting a bunch of alkaline button batteries connected together through a little zener circuit, but no, it was a straight up lithium ion battery.
Wow, I normally don't think of England when it comes to countries who have their shit together!
I think we just get by by knowing we're better than Northern Ireland.
Aside from the myraid of good arguments about why this is a good thing to be happening.
Having, in a past attempt to quit smoking, used a few. The ones that they tried to make look like a cigarette.
Yeah they are really awful, utterly horrid. I'd rather suck turd out a camels arse. Turned out I'd also rather just stop entirely (sorry, I only lasted about 18 months. but I will mange it)
But not disposable lighters?
disposable vapes come with built in lithium batteries, while (most) disposable lighters don’t. so there is a very real difference between the two. but disposal lighters are also stupidly wasteful, so it would be nice to ban those as well.
Lighters last a super long time and they don’t contain batteries which is the real concern.
People should be boofing nicotine pouches like God intended anyhow.
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