I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.
"We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view and create a giant centralized echo chamber"!
Why the fuck does every .world user suddenly want Lemmy to be Reddit?
Personally I would like to be able to talk to people with different views, in a civil manner. But Lemmy.ml doesn't seem to want that. If you post something that they don't like (even if it's a very moderate view and is expressed in a completely civil way) then they ban you. They seem to really hate moderate people.
Most of the users saying this went around screaming the word Tankie all over the place on .ml.
I don't think the meme makes sense. The ml users don't seem to care how much other content is out there. They still participate as much as they'd like.
Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it's easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.
If it helps, most of this inter-instance drama comes from a surprisingly small group of people. I've blocked most of them (looks like I missed the OP here) and it's much quieter now. Looking at my block list, they're mostly from .world, but that could be due to the large population.
It is easy to maintain freedom of speech on Lemmy. The idea that your instance can defederate from instances like Lemmy.ml, but everyone on Lemmy.ml can continue to post on their own server, and federate with any other given server by default is the entire point of federation and proof of concept that the fediverse is great for free speech. You’re under the impression that all Lemmy servers are supposed to be part of one big whole, but that’s not what the fediverse is for.
You have to understand that “free speech” is a negative freedom and it doesn’t mean everyone has to listen to you. It just means nobody can force you not to speak.
lemmy.ml users reaction:
Another day of .world reddit migrants thinking de-federating or boycotting .ml will change literally anything.
Why would you want to create an echo chamber? I genuinely don't get it, it's the internet, if you encounter an opinion you disagree with, literally just close the tab and it's gone
Most people on here don't mind being exposed to different viewpoints. If you ask me, even some - or even most, IDK - tankies are fine to talk to, even argue with, as they are usually civil.
The problem is that there are a lot of users on the *.ml instances who are not interested in debate, they just keep repeating the same 2-3 slogans over and over again in smug superiority as a reply to everything, and mods ban people randomly the same way.
When you meet some users who reply "you are misled by Western media" to anything you say as a final and incontrovertible argument, that's not a good faith debate I'm willing to participate in.
The problem is not the differing opinions, but the differing norms for polite conversation and good faith arguments.
As long as it's not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won't lead to good outcomes anywhere.
I feel like I'm missing something important here as a simple fediverse user. I don't really care about the politics, I just made an account during the first large Reddit exodus and choose an instance I thought would persist. I also made a second account on kbin.social, but it looks pretty dead as a project.
I never noticed anything described in this thread, but I'm subbed to many communities across the fediverse...
As a lemmy.ml account holder... I'm a bit out of the loop. I'm not tied to any single instance and can move to a new one (any recommendations?), but what does ml do that's bad? Honest question, promise, I don't follow this stuff very much
Same experience as you. Always thought it would be better to be hosted by MLs than anarchocapitalists, megalomaniacs and whatever one would call Elon Musk. Seems like internal drama. I do see now some examples in this thread where for instance the french word for late gets removed, but not really a problem for me, actually it's a bit refreshing.
The beauty of the fediverse is that you can make it how you want. You can self select into a instance that best reflects your individual values. You can block what you want. You can see publicly what the instance and moderators are doing.
Why would anyone be mad about that?
Free speechers on .world can't handle interacting with any dissenting opinions to the left of the Bush Administration.
Can someone inform me about what's wrong with lemmy.ml?
Lemmy.ml is the instance admin'd by the developers of Lemmy, who are Marxists. Lemmy.world is admin'd and moderated by liberals who generally are hostile towards Marxism, and have defederated from the 2 largest explicitly Marxist instances as a result.
Users generally prefer Lemmy.ml or Lemmy.world depending on their opinions on Marxism and Communism vs liberalism and Capitalism. We are on Lemmy.world right now, which is going to have far more people agreeing with OP than if this was posted on Lemmy.ml, where users hold the opposite opinion, that Lemmy.world is a problem (generally).
They do not support the Biden administrations genocide in Gaza.
Sure. They're not far enough to the right for some of .world's centrists, who are very upset that some people from .ml are outspoken opponents of genocide. And as such, they have for the third time designated an instance to be the "tankie instance" that they desperately want .world to defederate from. .world's centrists will continue this until they have convinced the admins to defederate from .ml, at which point they will once again find a new instance to designate as "tankies" and start the pressure to remove it.
They consider .world's neoliberalism to be the leftmost acceptable boundary of political thought, and will do anything to limit the discussion accordingly.
Hello. Can I please make my internet experience both echoier and chamberier than it already is because it makes me sad when I encounter someone online who has different thoughts to me.
Why are we shitting on .ml instances? Sure there's a few idiots who use them but they're the vocal minority.
There something about .world's culture that supports uncritically circlejerking about how bad is.
Mention hexbear and you'll get half a dozen .world comments accusing them of anything from being secret republicans to antisemites to russian trolls or chinese bots, and how awful they were when they brigaded every thread on .world.
Note that .world has never been federated with them.
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